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Happy Christmas, Elderman!
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Elderman, I don't always agree with the things you say but I hate the way you are treated by many ABers. I hope you and your family have a good, peaceful and loving Christmas.
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Beckersjay - “... Elderman, I don't always agree with the things you say but I hate the way you are treated by many Abers...”
Why do you hate the way Elderman is treated? He is treated with the derision that his posts warrant – they are largely nonsensical and many of them are simply copied and pasted from other sources and sometimes do not even relate the topic being discussed.
Myself and others are more than willing to debate theology until the cows come home. However, if the person you're debating with deliberately and wilfully obfuscates the discussion by evading pertinent questions, posting biblical quote after biblical quote, copies and pastes articles from elsewhere and generally does everything they can in order to evade engaging with the very people they purport to be addressing, then how can anyone fail to robustly and strenuously criticise such a person?
Happy Christmas!
Why do you hate the way Elderman is treated? He is treated with the derision that his posts warrant – they are largely nonsensical and many of them are simply copied and pasted from other sources and sometimes do not even relate the topic being discussed.
Myself and others are more than willing to debate theology until the cows come home. However, if the person you're debating with deliberately and wilfully obfuscates the discussion by evading pertinent questions, posting biblical quote after biblical quote, copies and pastes articles from elsewhere and generally does everything they can in order to evade engaging with the very people they purport to be addressing, then how can anyone fail to robustly and strenuously criticise such a person?
Happy Christmas!
Well,apart from noting the usual formulaic responses to anthing that involves Elderman and others, I hope that Elderman appreciates the kind sentiments whether he celebrates Christmas or not.
For the record, birdie, jomifl et al, I do not believe that anyone's beliefs or faith deserve derision if they are sincerely held. Including yours, of course. And incidentally, Happy Christmas to you all, or happy whatever else it is you celebrate.
For the record, birdie, jomifl et al, I do not believe that anyone's beliefs or faith deserve derision if they are sincerely held. Including yours, of course. And incidentally, Happy Christmas to you all, or happy whatever else it is you celebrate.
beckersjay // I do not believe that anyone's beliefs or faith deserve derision if they are sincerely held. //
Adolph Hilter and his friends were very sincere about their beliefs. So were many other fascist powers throughout history. So you wouldn't deride them?
I have no respect for their beliefs not those of someone naive enough to think sincerity is sufficient reason to afford respect.
Adolph Hilter and his friends were very sincere about their beliefs. So were many other fascist powers throughout history. So you wouldn't deride them?
I have no respect for their beliefs not those of someone naive enough to think sincerity is sufficient reason to afford respect.
I rather thought Hitler might creep into this thread. I have some personal doubts whether Hitler acted on a 'belief' as such - this gets into a much broader discussion about the distinction between religion/belief and politics/megalomania and self-interest. Culture and religion has been used as an excuse for a lot of things over the ages that have very little to do with culture or religion.
The Hebrew genocide perpetrated upon more than thrity tribes in their campaign to conquer "The Holy Land" for "The Chosen Race" puts behaviour of Joshua and Hilter on a par with regards to megalomania.
Would you care to explain how these are differentiate with as one being upheld as a wonderful example of the grandeur of the Lord and the other being considered an atrocity by a maniac?
Would you care to explain how these are differentiate with as one being upheld as a wonderful example of the grandeur of the Lord and the other being considered an atrocity by a maniac?
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