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4getmenot | 10:53 Wed 03rd Oct 2007 | Body & Soul
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Following on from something someone said in tv section. if you were about to sleep with someone and they then told you they had aids would you continue if you were using condoms?
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Sorry Pip's... didn't mean to be blunt with you. Just unimpressed with Minter's answer so was moving swiftly on to address that. I'm awaiting the back lash now :0(

If he's being safe and it's just a one night stand thing then I don't really see why he would/should tell them. Just a thought.
Not a prob, CD ~ I didn't see you as being blunt :o)

Yes it is a thought. Another thing to consider is that this guy is also in a long term relationship with a guy who doesn't have HIV or AIDS ~ they are in a 'full' relationship too, so they obviously don't see his illness as a problem.

I find it strange that they have an open relationship..but I suppose as one of them has AIDS they aren't bothered about catching a disease..each to their own I suppose.
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sorry yes China Doll I should have put HIV you're right :-)
Oh blimmin'eck 4get there was me trying to smooth it all out for you and you admit to making a mistake! lol
I fail to see where my ignorance is CD.

I am aware that AIDS/HIV affects all sorts (as I said) but I really do not see me sleeping with an African peasant woman in the forseeable future.

The facts are that an estimated 6 percent of sexually active men in the UK are gaylords, yet 75 of all HIV sufferers are gay men.

If that is not a predominant statistic, I am glad I am stupid.

I will stand by my guns and say if you are a gay man who sleeps around or a straight man who sleeps around, you are at a MUCH HIGHER risk being a gaylord from HIV/AIDS.

And that includes a man who has bum fun with ladies as well.

Where is the problem with that statement of fact?

And I find catholicism offensive at times!!!!
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and wardy I know where you are conming from a bit, just dont try and glamourise it, but if you saw the programme last night with stephen fry there are groups that want HIV and get infected with it on purpost so it wouldnt suprise me
Apparently heterosexual HIV/AIDS is on the rise year after year..is this mainly from drug use?

I would like to see statistics on that.
Freddie Mercury had full blown Aids and his long term partner Jim Hutton is still alive and well. They also carried on having a 'full' relationship after Freddy told him he was HIV positive
Whilst I am a fan of Stephen Fry, the fact a gaylord presented the show, kind of proves my point.

I did not see it, and have no knowledge of its content so may be barking up the wrong tree.

But...........................

AIDS is near enough a Gay disease. The vast majority of women with it (in this country and not the 0.0000000001 perecnt through a blood transfusion) have received it from a bi-sexual man OR sharing a needle for heroin where at the end of the chain there is a gaylord or a bi-man.

Anybody who knows me on here may be aware I have stanch views on some socio-political subjects, but I hold no prejudice or ill-feeling towards gaylords whatsoever.

As I have said many times, the ones I know are hard-working, healthy, middle class intellectuals who contribute to the economy in a kind and non-criminal way.

Also there is no such thing as a gay-chav is there?
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that is one guy 4GS. I just dont think I could do it. someones said on other thread Andy bell had got HIV has he?? and sorry pippa but I should have out HIV, but thanks for trying to cover it up :-)
What about HIV in South Africa? 20% of the population have it are they all gay?
Yeah that was me, 4get..I have posted a link for you :o)

No probs about covering up...I shall do it again anyway..lol.
I'm sure you don't see your ignorance Wardy or how you comments can be offensive.

Your first paragraph regarding the african peasant basically sums up as 'it doesn't effect me so lets not bring that in to the equation.' Great argument.

Statistics can be used to prove anything, however, let me address this logically.... This could possibly be because HIV is easier for a man to pass on than a woman. Hence male to female or/and male to male is an easier method of passing on the virus.

For your 'gay lord' being more at risk of HIV comment, please see above reasoning.

Bum fun as far as I'm aware has bu88er (pun intended) all to do with it. It's just another method of passing on the virus like sharing needles, blood transfusions etc... basically unprotected bodily fluid contact with a person who has HIV but I'm willing to be corrected on this if someone knows differently.

My main problem is the way you pontidicated on the subject and then act like there is nothing offensive or ignorant about what it is you have said. I know sometimes you're tongue in cheek, heck I've even stood in your corner once or twice and got a nice pixel backlash for it... but your arguments here can be shown (hopefully I've done that) as both shallow and frankly ill informed.

I expected better of you.

What I mean 4get was that it didn't stop the relationship,
(he also walked away with half a �million when Freddie died, not bad for an Irish truck driver eh)?
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can you answer my question wardy?
Well I did wonder what he saw in the millionaire Freddie Mercury!
But I am looking atthe question Reverand. I am NOT going to be sleeping with a south African am I?

Do not get me wrong, if I had sex with a stranger I would 100 percent wear a French letter, without a doubt. If she said no, I would not bother honestly.

I am fully aware I can catch most things off a woman, all I am saying is gaylords have a higher risk. And therefore is ultimately their problem.

Compare it to lung cancer. Not all patients smoke, but it is ultimately a smokers problem.
The fact is though Shadow that in South Africa one in 5 have HIV. Is that through homosexual sex?

No its because men have 4 and 5 wives, so it is spread by hetrosexual sex.

basically any sub section of society where promiscuity is the the norm is going to be hardest hit.

In the Uk the gay community, In SA the hetrosexual community.
CD, I am fully aware that bum fun is deemed a dangerous practice as opposed to front bottom fun. Without being patronising, I thought most people realised that. Obviously not.

4get, to be brutally honest, I would end the relationship there and then. Simple really.
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yes bum fun as you put it is a bigger risk because of ripping of the anus and blood being exchanged. Thats why gay people are not allowed to give blood. I find this wrong as they dont ask on their questionaire thing are you female and have had anul lately do they

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