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What is a Purebred?
What is the definition of a Purebred??what do you expect to get when buying a Purebred? (Dog)
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I would add though that a purebred doesn't necessarily have a pedigree! Think of Border Collies, and the many farm bred working sheep dogs - they are one and the same breed, but many have no pedigrees and have just been purebred by their owners using other purebred farm collies.
Same as Jack Russells and a lot of other working terriers such as Patterdales. Most don't have pedigrees as such, although I bet their owners could tell you that their great great grandfather was Ted Smith's Rebel or Fred Brown's Tam!
My own breed, Lancashire Heelers, were purebred as farm dogs for hundreds of years before the show people got hold of them and started keeping breeding records. They then formed a club and kept a register, which was followed by the Kennel Club accepting them as a purebred breed in 1981.
Same as Jack Russells and a lot of other working terriers such as Patterdales. Most don't have pedigrees as such, although I bet their owners could tell you that their great great grandfather was Ted Smith's Rebel or Fred Brown's Tam!
My own breed, Lancashire Heelers, were purebred as farm dogs for hundreds of years before the show people got hold of them and started keeping breeding records. They then formed a club and kept a register, which was followed by the Kennel Club accepting them as a purebred breed in 1981.
Thank You, just trying to get a solid defence together,
so say the G G Grandparents were not hip scored on my dogs pedigree how would I know that he was a purebred and not crossbred??????and if he was a cross bred dog, Would my dog not be purebred/pedigree????????
I am still trying to understand this pedigree thing, If I were to sell a pup and I knew the hip scores of the five generation should they be provided to the new owner, ie. I was given a certificate showing just the parents hipscores which are low, the problems are with siblings/aunts/uncles etc, which were available in the breed standard prior to mating her dog, is this also proof that she did not do her homework prior to mating.
so say the G G Grandparents were not hip scored on my dogs pedigree how would I know that he was a purebred and not crossbred??????and if he was a cross bred dog, Would my dog not be purebred/pedigree????????
I am still trying to understand this pedigree thing, If I were to sell a pup and I knew the hip scores of the five generation should they be provided to the new owner, ie. I was given a certificate showing just the parents hipscores which are low, the problems are with siblings/aunts/uncles etc, which were available in the breed standard prior to mating her dog, is this also proof that she did not do her homework prior to mating.
Without trying to deny that you have a problem I'm afraid I don't totally agree with your argument. You can still get bad hips even if the parents have been scored and have good ones. My sister had a Malamute whose parents had low scores, and hers had a very high score of 102, almost the maximum you can get. At that time the Malamute people were very strict and put endorsements on their registrations that meant you could not register puppies from them until they had been hip scored.
Also in many cases a bitch is bred from with a perhaps higher score than is ideal, but using a dog with a low score, that is known for producing low scores, thereby trying to bring down the resulting scores of the puppies.
I would add though that environment, exercise, diet and rearing can also be factors in hip problems.
Provided the parents themsevles had relatively low scores, I can't see how the breeders can be blamed entirely for your dog having bad hips.
As to the dogs in its pedigree, if it is registered with the Kennel Club then the pedigree can be traced back for many, many generations and it could not be registered unless it was purebred for all those generations. What I am trying to say is, a crossbreed could not be in its ancestry or it would not be registered.
Also in many cases a bitch is bred from with a perhaps higher score than is ideal, but using a dog with a low score, that is known for producing low scores, thereby trying to bring down the resulting scores of the puppies.
I would add though that environment, exercise, diet and rearing can also be factors in hip problems.
Provided the parents themsevles had relatively low scores, I can't see how the breeders can be blamed entirely for your dog having bad hips.
As to the dogs in its pedigree, if it is registered with the Kennel Club then the pedigree can be traced back for many, many generations and it could not be registered unless it was purebred for all those generations. What I am trying to say is, a crossbreed could not be in its ancestry or it would not be registered.
Thank IanKeela, you have cleared that up for me regarding the crossbreeding, (something and my gut instinct is telling me different)
I am not blaming my breeder for my dogs or his 3 other siblings that have problems, I know the genetics involved when breeding is very complex and there is always a chance something go's wrong and in this bloodline it has gone terrible wrong. There was information not given to us all at the time of purchase, which I am very angry about (you may have already guessed this) I paid top whack for my dog and I wish I had checked closely before I bought him, so I am much to blame, however a responsible breeder will take into account the whole picture not just two dogs with low hip scores, These scores may or may not have been the contributing factor behind my dog illness�s, but if I had been advised and given all the information available, I could have made my own choice.
The average pet home knows very little about hip scoring (I certainly didn't), and I trusted the breeder was responsible enough to breed from healthy Hip Dysplasia free breeding lines! If more people speak out, in my opinion then the ordinary pet owner would be made aware that this condition is something not to brush under the carpet. If I hadn�t of been lied to I would never of thought to look into my dogs pedigree!
It�s just so sad for this breed and the other breeds that there is breeding going on for quantity and not for quality, its like I�ve said many times before, why do people think they need to bred there dog, there is so many good breeders out there spending thousands to produce good quality show dogs and then there is the puppy farms.
The German Shepherd is a dog in my heart and it is the only breed I know, but it�s also a breed I will never return to as the health problems surrounding them is to much and too painful.
I am not blaming my breeder for my dogs or his 3 other siblings that have problems, I know the genetics involved when breeding is very complex and there is always a chance something go's wrong and in this bloodline it has gone terrible wrong. There was information not given to us all at the time of purchase, which I am very angry about (you may have already guessed this) I paid top whack for my dog and I wish I had checked closely before I bought him, so I am much to blame, however a responsible breeder will take into account the whole picture not just two dogs with low hip scores, These scores may or may not have been the contributing factor behind my dog illness�s, but if I had been advised and given all the information available, I could have made my own choice.
The average pet home knows very little about hip scoring (I certainly didn't), and I trusted the breeder was responsible enough to breed from healthy Hip Dysplasia free breeding lines! If more people speak out, in my opinion then the ordinary pet owner would be made aware that this condition is something not to brush under the carpet. If I hadn�t of been lied to I would never of thought to look into my dogs pedigree!
It�s just so sad for this breed and the other breeds that there is breeding going on for quantity and not for quality, its like I�ve said many times before, why do people think they need to bred there dog, there is so many good breeders out there spending thousands to produce good quality show dogs and then there is the puppy farms.
The German Shepherd is a dog in my heart and it is the only breed I know, but it�s also a breed I will never return to as the health problems surrounding them is to much and too painful.
There are also lots of people who buy dogs without going into the whys and wherefores, and the one thing I hate to hear is that 'they only want a pet' so are not prepared to spend the money to get one from a reputable breeder. I know you say you paid top whack for yours, but if the breeders had bought theirs from 'backyard breeders' themselves, who knows what is behind them. Same as breeds like Cavaliers, there are so many with heart problems, yet people will still go and buy one from untested parents or without papers. Often they then breed from them and so the problem is passed on to another generation of puppies and puppy buyers.
There are many, many breeds with inherited problems, eye problems especially, but people don't bother to find out.
At the risk of repeating myself, go through the breed clubs and ask for advice, no matter what the breed. Getting one 'on the cheap' is not always the cheapest in the long run.
There are many, many breeds with inherited problems, eye problems especially, but people don't bother to find out.
At the risk of repeating myself, go through the breed clubs and ask for advice, no matter what the breed. Getting one 'on the cheap' is not always the cheapest in the long run.
Thanks for your reply�s Iankeela and especially the help you are trying to give me
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I personally think you are wrong to say that becuase the dog you have now has problems so you won't be getting another, Statements like that give the whole breed a bad name & I feel that there are enough people out there doing that without people who are so say lovers of the breed saying it too. I have german shepherds & if 1 of them had a life full of problems it would never put me off the breed because I am a true lover of the breed & will always have them in my house. You could have a purebred dog with the last 10 gernerations free from HD and end up with a puppy/dog who has HD.
I think you have got me wrong, I am not out to slate or discredited the German Shepherd Dog they are the most loyal, noble and regal breed I have had the pleasure knowing, It�s a breed I have grown up with since a child and it is also a breed that I myself have been loyal too.
My concern is the welfare of my dog who is not the only one in his litter that has been diagnosed with HD there is quite a lot more. You say you are true lover of the GSD so am I, and this is why I cannot sit back and let this breeder continue breeding unhealthy stock, for the love of the breed if I can stop one dog suffering the way my dog is suffering then I am sorry but I cannot keep quite. If more people spoke out against bad breeders and made bad breeders aware to potential buyers then the breeders who do it for the love of the breed and for the quality of the breed would benefit surely!
There are a lot of breeders out there who breed for quality and spend thousands doing so, so it�s the breeders who breed just for the money are letting the breed down, not me the pet owner who has got the guts to speak out. When I purchased my German Shepherd I thought I was getting a dog who would be a part of my family for a good 8-10 years or more, My dog has just turned 2 and he is living in an old man�s body, you say you had a life full of problems this is something I will not have, don�t get me wrong he has been the most joyful dog to have and I would not change a single thing about him (apart from his bad hips).
I am hurting so much at the minute not just for my dog but for the other puppies that are also suffering its heart wrenching and I really don�t think I could go through this again, and that�s what I mean when I say I will be staying away from the breed; I feel my child is slipping away from me and at this moment I seriously do not think I could own another dog. But to anyone who is unsure what breed to go for; it will be without a doubt
My concern is the welfare of my dog who is not the only one in his litter that has been diagnosed with HD there is quite a lot more. You say you are true lover of the GSD so am I, and this is why I cannot sit back and let this breeder continue breeding unhealthy stock, for the love of the breed if I can stop one dog suffering the way my dog is suffering then I am sorry but I cannot keep quite. If more people spoke out against bad breeders and made bad breeders aware to potential buyers then the breeders who do it for the love of the breed and for the quality of the breed would benefit surely!
There are a lot of breeders out there who breed for quality and spend thousands doing so, so it�s the breeders who breed just for the money are letting the breed down, not me the pet owner who has got the guts to speak out. When I purchased my German Shepherd I thought I was getting a dog who would be a part of my family for a good 8-10 years or more, My dog has just turned 2 and he is living in an old man�s body, you say you had a life full of problems this is something I will not have, don�t get me wrong he has been the most joyful dog to have and I would not change a single thing about him (apart from his bad hips).
I am hurting so much at the minute not just for my dog but for the other puppies that are also suffering its heart wrenching and I really don�t think I could go through this again, and that�s what I mean when I say I will be staying away from the breed; I feel my child is slipping away from me and at this moment I seriously do not think I could own another dog. But to anyone who is unsure what breed to go for; it will be without a doubt
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