Qaeda Decapitate The Wrong Man

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2507424/Al-Qaeda-decapitate-WRONG-man-beg-forgiveness-killing-Syria-rebel.html

Are these the monsters we have decided to support in their fight against the Syrian government?

These are the type of people who our own soldiers have been forced to face in Afghanistan, and yet we convict one of our soldiers of murder for killing someone who would not have thought twice of committing such a barbarous act upon him as was carried out here.

[sp1814]

Okay - I see your point...I should have been clearer and asked, "in what way are coalition forces fighting with one hand tied behind their backs".

I could understand that sentiment if you meant that insurgents follow no rules of engagement - because they don't. They can (and will) carry out acts that we would find barbaric. We would never parade the bodies of captured insurgents around town on the back of Jeeps...but even taking that into account, I don't see our forces as being hampered.

Where force is required, force is used.

The biggest problem facing allied troops is that no-one seems to have a clue (politicians and forces strategists) on exactly how to pull out of the region and leave it politically stable.

And this is a major headache for the west.

Because of oil, and more importantly, access to friendly nations to supply us.

If anyone asks "Why are we out there", I'll point them to the horrors of 70s inflation when the OPEC nations hiked the price of a barrel of crude oil from $10 a barrel to $50 in five years.

This contributed to the recession of the 70s and 80s.

This could easily happen again, and the global economy is not ready for it. After the banking and credit crisis - it's just not strong enough.

[emmie]

there never seems to have been a time when the exit strategy was considered or really what exactly they are doing there, peace role, getting rid of terrorists, drug trade elimination, so time to leave, we have just had our soldiers killed for no discernible reason, sad as that is to say.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// I don't see our forces as being hampered. ///

Did you read that Independent report that I supplied?

Have you ever spoken to a UK service man that has been out there, well I have on many occasions and they have told me stories of the ridicules death threatening rules and regulations they have been forced to fight under.

One particular one was the fact that they were told that if an insurgent approached one brandishing a hand grenade, they could not shoot him until he pulled out the pin.

This is above anything written in the Geneva Convention, would you care to be forced to abide by with those kind of rules?

[Baldric]

Rearrange the following,

Man, Straw, Drowning & Clutch!

[Zeuhl]

//And here was me thinking that 20 questions was an outdated radio programme.//

It's called intelligent debate aog

If you respect the idea of properly understanding another person's thinking you ask questions to elicit the beliefs and and the evidence criteria they have that underpin their utterances.

However, I appreciate that all that is alien territory for you.

[anotheoldgit]

Obvious by the reactions from the usual suspects I have won the argument, I can now smugly retire from further debate on this subject, so as to save the usual suspects from using their small minds thinking up further insults.

[Zeuhl]

/I have won the argument/

aog

Be assured

You are the only person who thinks that (but I suspect you know that already)

But have a nice evening anyway :-)

[FredPuli43]

AOG, so you do not condone the soldier's behaviour. It took a little time to find where you said that. It does not directly answer my question though. You might be of the opinion that the soldier should never have been convicted of murder, or, indeed , even charged, because the circumstances of war are such that his behaviour, though not to be condoned, was nonetheless understandable and forgivable.

So what is your answer? Should he have been convicted or not?

[Old_Geezer]

Why does so many seem to ask by whom ? Everyone judges everyone else. Apologies for stating the blatantly obvious. It's an inexplicable question.

[FredPuli43]

Oh dear. They have shot our fox, or, rather, he has committed suicide and claimed victory in so doing.

AOG flees the field ("It is only a flesh wound" isn't it?) , all the while yelling "I have won!" as he disappears into the distance. Ah well, you can lose the battle but still go on to win the war. Shame, I never did get an answer to the simple question which he pretends to have answered in the past, but didn't.

[Baldric]

///I have won the argument, I can now smugly retire///

That ^^^ is both the most arrogant and deluded statement I have come across for quite a while.

[FredPuli43]

Be fair, AOG did use the word 'smugly'. An admission of having the quality of being smug, which Collins helpfully defines for us as "excessively self-satisfied", shows an admirable degree of insight. Or is it understatement, a characteristic of those of true British stock?

[THECORBYLOON]

ANOTHEOLDIT, are you saying that in the absence of Rules of Engagement, the Geneva Conventions would have allowed the soldier to shoot the prisoner?