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Extreme Weather?
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It has been suggested that recent hurricanes achieving land-fall on the east coats of the USA and the flooding of properties up and down the UK are evidence of man-made climate change. Is the weather getting more 'extreme' or are there other factors at work?
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Beso -
You're not even honest with yourself, let alone others. You quite clearly said earlier, “... There is some room for debate over whether these changes are caused by human activities but the AWG case is very strong...”. When I suggested that you have finally admitted that any apparent extreme weather event or supposed global warming may be due to the earth's natural glacial / inter-glacial cycle, you promptly back-peddle and say, “... I did not say that. I said there was room for debate. It can be debated because it requires interpretation of the science not simply outright measurement...”
No Beso, no. You clearly and unequivocally stated that there is a very real possibility that the tiny changes we are seeing are due to natural variability. You may not have meant to say it but say it you did.
You then falsely attempt to suggest that it is I who is dishonest because I said, “... you admit that all of this may be due to natural variability...”. You have taken the phrase “all this” and deliberately twisted it so that you're now claiming that I accept that extreme weather events are becoming more frequent and that the earth is warming at an alarming and unprecedented rate. You do so in the full knowledge that I don't think that this is the case. To clarify, the phrase “all this” meant the misreporting of extreme weather events as being attributable to AGW. But you knew that already didn't you?
It is clear from our acrimonious exchanges that you are two things. First, you are a colossal hypocrite. You live your comfortable modern lifestyle because of technology and fossil fuels. You have more than one fossil fuel powered vehicle. Your entire world depends upon fossil fuels and the products that are manufactured from them.
Second, you are a colossal hypocrite. You talk repeatedly about science looking at the evidence and yet you dismiss out of hand those scientists who don't agree with your conclusions. If you truly believed in the scientific method and the pursuit of truth you would not talk about people who doubt that Earth's populations are not in dire jeopardy as being 'sick' or 'greedy' or 'selfish', etc.
You like to portray yourself as impartial and as being driven by logic and egalitarian values. Nothing could be further from the truth where AGW is concerned. You are a fanatic. You also fail to understand (or even acknowledge) the very real and dire consequences of a de-carbonisation of the world's economies and the effect that it will have on people living today. You're so busy bleating on about future generations that you're forgetting about the people who currently exist right here and right now.
You're not even honest with yourself, let alone others. You quite clearly said earlier, “... There is some room for debate over whether these changes are caused by human activities but the AWG case is very strong...”. When I suggested that you have finally admitted that any apparent extreme weather event or supposed global warming may be due to the earth's natural glacial / inter-glacial cycle, you promptly back-peddle and say, “... I did not say that. I said there was room for debate. It can be debated because it requires interpretation of the science not simply outright measurement...”
No Beso, no. You clearly and unequivocally stated that there is a very real possibility that the tiny changes we are seeing are due to natural variability. You may not have meant to say it but say it you did.
You then falsely attempt to suggest that it is I who is dishonest because I said, “... you admit that all of this may be due to natural variability...”. You have taken the phrase “all this” and deliberately twisted it so that you're now claiming that I accept that extreme weather events are becoming more frequent and that the earth is warming at an alarming and unprecedented rate. You do so in the full knowledge that I don't think that this is the case. To clarify, the phrase “all this” meant the misreporting of extreme weather events as being attributable to AGW. But you knew that already didn't you?
It is clear from our acrimonious exchanges that you are two things. First, you are a colossal hypocrite. You live your comfortable modern lifestyle because of technology and fossil fuels. You have more than one fossil fuel powered vehicle. Your entire world depends upon fossil fuels and the products that are manufactured from them.
Second, you are a colossal hypocrite. You talk repeatedly about science looking at the evidence and yet you dismiss out of hand those scientists who don't agree with your conclusions. If you truly believed in the scientific method and the pursuit of truth you would not talk about people who doubt that Earth's populations are not in dire jeopardy as being 'sick' or 'greedy' or 'selfish', etc.
You like to portray yourself as impartial and as being driven by logic and egalitarian values. Nothing could be further from the truth where AGW is concerned. You are a fanatic. You also fail to understand (or even acknowledge) the very real and dire consequences of a de-carbonisation of the world's economies and the effect that it will have on people living today. You're so busy bleating on about future generations that you're forgetting about the people who currently exist right here and right now.
Once again birdie shows an inability to comprehend the usage of the language.
And once again his hypocrisy. After denying there had been any change in global temperatures and sea level he refers to them as being due to natural variability.
Then he accuses me of being a "colossal hypocrite" completely neglecting that I run my home on solar power, take care to purchase the lowest energy appliances and pay to own, maintain and develop a large forest that sequesters more carbon than I put into the atmosphere.
We diligently recycle what can be recycled. We have the minimum sized waste bin available from our local council and don't even fill that despite usually only putting it out every second collection.
I won't call you a colossal hypocrite. You act as you believe. You clearly believe that the world is yours to exploit to your economic ability and don't give a d@mn about whether what those of the future have to work with. And you act according to your beliefs.
It makes you a genuine for sure, but a genuine arseh0le.
The greatest myth you perpetrate is that notion that life is impossible in a decarbonised economy.
What the many have asked to do is to take a very small step in that direction. A very small step compared to what the science indicates would be the best path. But no. The likes of birdie stick their doctrine that while one person on the planet doubts that we have a problem we must do nothing, absolutely nothing.
He wants us to be at a standing start if it comes to the point when denial is impossible. Why? Because he knows it won't affect him personally.
And once again his hypocrisy. After denying there had been any change in global temperatures and sea level he refers to them as being due to natural variability.
Then he accuses me of being a "colossal hypocrite" completely neglecting that I run my home on solar power, take care to purchase the lowest energy appliances and pay to own, maintain and develop a large forest that sequesters more carbon than I put into the atmosphere.
We diligently recycle what can be recycled. We have the minimum sized waste bin available from our local council and don't even fill that despite usually only putting it out every second collection.
I won't call you a colossal hypocrite. You act as you believe. You clearly believe that the world is yours to exploit to your economic ability and don't give a d@mn about whether what those of the future have to work with. And you act according to your beliefs.
It makes you a genuine for sure, but a genuine arseh0le.
The greatest myth you perpetrate is that notion that life is impossible in a decarbonised economy.
What the many have asked to do is to take a very small step in that direction. A very small step compared to what the science indicates would be the best path. But no. The likes of birdie stick their doctrine that while one person on the planet doubts that we have a problem we must do nothing, absolutely nothing.
He wants us to be at a standing start if it comes to the point when denial is impossible. Why? Because he knows it won't affect him personally.
Beso -
A few points. I'll be as brief as possible.
You: “... After denying there had been any change in global temperatures...”.
Not true. I've never claimed this. You're telling lies.
You - “... We diligently recycle what can be recycled...”
You may be astonished to learn this but I do precisely the same. Why would you believe that I would do otherwise?
You - “... I won't call you a colossal hypocrite...”
Too late. You already have. See your post of '10:36 Tue 04th Dec 2012' where you say, “You are a pathetic hypocrite.”. Please don't try and argue over the difference between the words 'pathetic' and 'colossal' when applied to the word 'hypocrite'.
You - “... You clearly believe that the world is yours to exploit to your economic ability and don't give a d@mn about whether what those of the future have to work with. And you act according to your beliefs.”
More lies. When have I ever said that the world is mine to exploit? Never, that's when. And where do you get off making assumptions about what I do and not do? You live in a fantasy world Beso. You are so deluded that you're making up stories about the lifestyles of others without any evidence whatsoever. And you claim to be a man of logic and reasoning! Truly Sad.
You - “... The greatest myth you perpetrate is that notion that life is impossible in a decarbonised economy...”
Even more lies. You really don't know when to stop do you? I've never said that life is impossible in a decarbonised economy.
In a nutshell Beso, your above post is a tissue of lies and suppositions. But as I have said before on numerous occasion – lies and obnoxious personal attacks are your modus operandi. Thank you for proving me right.
A few points. I'll be as brief as possible.
You: “... After denying there had been any change in global temperatures...”.
Not true. I've never claimed this. You're telling lies.
You - “... We diligently recycle what can be recycled...”
You may be astonished to learn this but I do precisely the same. Why would you believe that I would do otherwise?
You - “... I won't call you a colossal hypocrite...”
Too late. You already have. See your post of '10:36 Tue 04th Dec 2012' where you say, “You are a pathetic hypocrite.”. Please don't try and argue over the difference between the words 'pathetic' and 'colossal' when applied to the word 'hypocrite'.
You - “... You clearly believe that the world is yours to exploit to your economic ability and don't give a d@mn about whether what those of the future have to work with. And you act according to your beliefs.”
More lies. When have I ever said that the world is mine to exploit? Never, that's when. And where do you get off making assumptions about what I do and not do? You live in a fantasy world Beso. You are so deluded that you're making up stories about the lifestyles of others without any evidence whatsoever. And you claim to be a man of logic and reasoning! Truly Sad.
You - “... The greatest myth you perpetrate is that notion that life is impossible in a decarbonised economy...”
Even more lies. You really don't know when to stop do you? I've never said that life is impossible in a decarbonised economy.
In a nutshell Beso, your above post is a tissue of lies and suppositions. But as I have said before on numerous occasion – lies and obnoxious personal attacks are your modus operandi. Thank you for proving me right.
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