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Cryptic clue; twice using verbiage (2,3,8,9)

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puzzleking123 | 12:01 Tue 06th Dec 2011 | Crosswords
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any ideas
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On two separate occasions
if this is from the weekend Indy
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thanks shaneystar
Hi- if you mention the name of the crossword in the title box (and put theclue just in the question box) -there's more chance of getting a quick answer, and it's easier to read

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