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Why does prayer fail ?
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sandy and truthabounds or any other theist. Please answer a simple question .
When Madeline Macain disappeared ten of milliions of people from all denominations all over the world prayed that she would be found, even the Pope got involved calling upon Catholics everywhere to pray for her,and as you know her devout parents mounted a world wide appeal for prayers.
Result ? Nothing ! Now 4 years later there is still not a single clue.
Why , why , why ? If millions of prayers are not answered in any form, what chance does your single prayer stand. ?
sandy // I pray a decade of the Rosary each evening for all on AB, but especially the agnostics. //
I expect sandy you also prayed for Madeline and it failed. Why ?
When Madeline Macain disappeared ten of milliions of people from all denominations all over the world prayed that she would be found, even the Pope got involved calling upon Catholics everywhere to pray for her,and as you know her devout parents mounted a world wide appeal for prayers.
Result ? Nothing ! Now 4 years later there is still not a single clue.
Why , why , why ? If millions of prayers are not answered in any form, what chance does your single prayer stand. ?
sandy // I pray a decade of the Rosary each evening for all on AB, but especially the agnostics. //
I expect sandy you also prayed for Madeline and it failed. Why ?
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Khandro -
Your quote - “@birdie, "This [deathbed conversion] twaddle is repeated time and again by believers. The famous 'death-bed conversion' story is as old as the hills and simply nonsense masquerading as fact.". A bit off subject here but how about; Constantine the Great, Oscar Wilde, Charles Darwin, Charles II. and for ABers over the pond, John Wayne, Buffalo Bill Cody, Chief Sitting Bull, and John Henry "Doc" Holiday, Shall I go on?”
Yes please.
I should be grateful if you would be so kind as to post some links to support your above statement. Rather than just throw some names into the air, let's have a look at the evidence available for each claim. I suggest we start with Darwin and go from there. What say you?
Your quote - “@birdie, "This [deathbed conversion] twaddle is repeated time and again by believers. The famous 'death-bed conversion' story is as old as the hills and simply nonsense masquerading as fact.". A bit off subject here but how about; Constantine the Great, Oscar Wilde, Charles Darwin, Charles II. and for ABers over the pond, John Wayne, Buffalo Bill Cody, Chief Sitting Bull, and John Henry "Doc" Holiday, Shall I go on?”
Yes please.
I should be grateful if you would be so kind as to post some links to support your above statement. Rather than just throw some names into the air, let's have a look at the evidence available for each claim. I suggest we start with Darwin and go from there. What say you?
Starbuckone:
Quite.
What I find amusing about claims that such and such had a death-bed conversion [DBC] is that these stories always seem to be told by people of faith. Very rarely (if ever) are these supposed DBCs witnessed by several objective observers – the nature of most people's death being a very private affair.
The claim that Darwin had a DBC for example, is demonstrably false and yet it is repeated time and time again. The claim originates from Elizabeth [Lady] Hope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Hope) who, according to Darwin's daughter, never even met him and/or if she did, waited 34 years before she decided to tell the world about Darwin's supposed DBC.
This from Wikipedia -
“From Darwin's daughter: "I was present at his deathbed. Lady Hope was not present during his last illness, or any illness. I believe he never even saw her, but in any case she had no influence over him in any department of thought or belief. He never recanted any of his scientific views, either then or earlier. We think the story of his conversion was fabricated in the U.S.A. The whole story has no foundation whatever."
http://en.wikipedia.o...i/Deathbed_conversion
As I said earlier, such claims are mostly twaddle.
Quite.
What I find amusing about claims that such and such had a death-bed conversion [DBC] is that these stories always seem to be told by people of faith. Very rarely (if ever) are these supposed DBCs witnessed by several objective observers – the nature of most people's death being a very private affair.
The claim that Darwin had a DBC for example, is demonstrably false and yet it is repeated time and time again. The claim originates from Elizabeth [Lady] Hope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Hope) who, according to Darwin's daughter, never even met him and/or if she did, waited 34 years before she decided to tell the world about Darwin's supposed DBC.
This from Wikipedia -
“From Darwin's daughter: "I was present at his deathbed. Lady Hope was not present during his last illness, or any illness. I believe he never even saw her, but in any case she had no influence over him in any department of thought or belief. He never recanted any of his scientific views, either then or earlier. We think the story of his conversion was fabricated in the U.S.A. The whole story has no foundation whatever."
http://en.wikipedia.o...i/Deathbed_conversion
As I said earlier, such claims are mostly twaddle.
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