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100,000 Islam converts in the UK.
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Why are these women so keen to convert to the Muslim faith?
Will these converts be happy to become almost subservient to their husbands, or will they set an example to Muslim women of how they are being oppressed?
Why are these women so keen to convert to the Muslim faith?
Will these converts be happy to become almost subservient to their husbands, or will they set an example to Muslim women of how they are being oppressed?
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In my previous answer I said //There are many people who need an excuse to hide away from society and religion gives them that opportunity. //
Which reminds me of a school, where I taught for 10 years , one of my religious colleagues use to run a bible class during the lunch break which was attended by about half a dozen children, but without exception those children were always the odd-balls who just didn't fit in with the normal behaviour of their peers.
If my colleague was not in the room she would leave them religious material to talk about but the moment she was gone they didn't even look at them . They didn't need to they had there own little group hideaway .
Most of us conform to our society but for those who can't, religion and its rules is a convenient opt out.
Which reminds me of a school, where I taught for 10 years , one of my religious colleagues use to run a bible class during the lunch break which was attended by about half a dozen children, but without exception those children were always the odd-balls who just didn't fit in with the normal behaviour of their peers.
If my colleague was not in the room she would leave them religious material to talk about but the moment she was gone they didn't even look at them . They didn't need to they had there own little group hideaway .
Most of us conform to our society but for those who can't, religion and its rules is a convenient opt out.
According to Bunkmoreland my little Birdie hit the nail on the head when he claimed that it has more to do with UK Laws that why Muslims are behaving.
I wonder why then in the UK (under UK laws) these women could only manage to find Muslims. In fact they do not have to change their religion either and could easily find another person possibly a non-Muslim. After all why take risk with women oppressors. After all it has nothing to do with them or their way of life and it is mainly for the reason of UK law and nothing else. Just a thought.
I wonder why then in the UK (under UK laws) these women could only manage to find Muslims. In fact they do not have to change their religion either and could easily find another person possibly a non-Muslim. After all why take risk with women oppressors. After all it has nothing to do with them or their way of life and it is mainly for the reason of UK law and nothing else. Just a thought.
Keyplus – I do so love the way you refer to me. When we are in agreement, you refer to me as either 'Birdie' or even (on a few memorable occasions) 'my brother Birdie'. When we disagree, it's straight back to 'my little Birdie'. You do enjoy making yourself look pathetically small minded don't you? Just a thought.
And here's another. No one is saying that women who convert to Islam are unable to find suitable partners outside of the muslim community – that's your (presumptuous) interpretation.
As for your question, “... why take risk with women oppressors?”. That's quite easy to answer. It's far more difficult for muslim men to dominate their spouses (if they want to do so) in the UK because of existing laws and social norms, thereby reducing the 'risk' that female converts expose themselves to. The same cannot be said in the countries I listed above. When a women is prohibited from leaving her own home without a male chaperone, I would suggest that that is oppression. I'm sure you'd disagree, arguing as you have before, that it's for their own safety.
And here's another. No one is saying that women who convert to Islam are unable to find suitable partners outside of the muslim community – that's your (presumptuous) interpretation.
As for your question, “... why take risk with women oppressors?”. That's quite easy to answer. It's far more difficult for muslim men to dominate their spouses (if they want to do so) in the UK because of existing laws and social norms, thereby reducing the 'risk' that female converts expose themselves to. The same cannot be said in the countries I listed above. When a women is prohibited from leaving her own home without a male chaperone, I would suggest that that is oppression. I'm sure you'd disagree, arguing as you have before, that it's for their own safety.
OK lets get back to my brother birdie then if that makes you happy.
My point is that why women have to find only Muslims as UK laws are same for all. So obviously something else is attracting them towards Muslims because impact of law (according to your analogy) starts once they are already married. But what else is there in the first place that is attracting them towards these people. Muslim’s way of life or perhaps even status of women in Islam as after all being women they must have thought about that too. So why not stick with someone else where they do not have to give up their "PLEASURES" of Western life. Or perhaps these women are fed up with that western life (as many who converted accept that). Just another thought.
My point is that why women have to find only Muslims as UK laws are same for all. So obviously something else is attracting them towards Muslims because impact of law (according to your analogy) starts once they are already married. But what else is there in the first place that is attracting them towards these people. Muslim’s way of life or perhaps even status of women in Islam as after all being women they must have thought about that too. So why not stick with someone else where they do not have to give up their "PLEASURES" of Western life. Or perhaps these women are fed up with that western life (as many who converted accept that). Just another thought.
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A Muslim man can only marry up to four wives if he has the means to treat them all equally - e.g. four wives living in the same house with their own accommodation, or four houses.
However, I know several women who converted to Islam when they were single, and then looked to marry a Muslim man. A male friend of mine converted so he could marry a Muslim woman. These are not all in the UK.
However, I know several women who converted to Islam when they were single, and then looked to marry a Muslim man. A male friend of mine converted so he could marry a Muslim woman. These are not all in the UK.
Keyplus90 – Thanks. I do prefer it when we are civil to one another. We don't have to agree, but keeping it civil suits me fine.
Your quote, “...But what else is there in the first place that is attracting them towards these [muslims]...?”
I think you're coming at this the wrong way. You are suggesting that non-muslim women are attracted to muslim men because of some unknown mechanism.
I have another suggestion – women are attracted to men because of sex and vica-versa. Religion doesn't even come into it. Simple sexual attraction between two people is enough. I don't think anyone looks at another person and thinks, 'I really fancy that person – I wonder what their religion is and whether I will be expected to convert to it or if they'd be willing to convert to mine?'. No one thinks in those terms – not when sex is on the cards (so to speak).
Your quote, “...But what else is there in the first place that is attracting them towards these [muslims]...?”
I think you're coming at this the wrong way. You are suggesting that non-muslim women are attracted to muslim men because of some unknown mechanism.
I have another suggestion – women are attracted to men because of sex and vica-versa. Religion doesn't even come into it. Simple sexual attraction between two people is enough. I don't think anyone looks at another person and thinks, 'I really fancy that person – I wonder what their religion is and whether I will be expected to convert to it or if they'd be willing to convert to mine?'. No one thinks in those terms – not when sex is on the cards (so to speak).
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It is also worth pointing out that religious conversion is almost entirely (but not exclusively) a one-way street. For a muslim man to renounce his Islamic faith is anathema. For a vaguely 'christian' quasi-secularist man or women with no strongly held convictions, changing their 'faith' is about as difficult as putting on a different pair of trousers. And there is often no backlash from friends or family; a situation not often replicated when the roles are reversed.
I honestly don't think 'western' women are joining Islam in their droves because they see it as a better way of life. The number of non-muslim women converting to Islam and then marrying muslim men is not a reflection of some great attraction to the Islamic faith. It's an inevitable consequence of (for want of a better phrase) Islamic population growth and a very relaxed, almost whimsical attitude to faith which most modern 'western' men and women have adopted.
It is also worth pointing out that religious conversion is almost entirely (but not exclusively) a one-way street. For a muslim man to renounce his Islamic faith is anathema. For a vaguely 'christian' quasi-secularist man or women with no strongly held convictions, changing their 'faith' is about as difficult as putting on a different pair of trousers. And there is often no backlash from friends or family; a situation not often replicated when the roles are reversed.
I honestly don't think 'western' women are joining Islam in their droves because they see it as a better way of life. The number of non-muslim women converting to Islam and then marrying muslim men is not a reflection of some great attraction to the Islamic faith. It's an inevitable consequence of (for want of a better phrase) Islamic population growth and a very relaxed, almost whimsical attitude to faith which most modern 'western' men and women have adopted.
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