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Dying and floating towards the heavenly light at the end of the tunnel....
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Has anyone here died or know anyone that has and were brought back to life and seen this phenomenon which some think is the brains reaction to not enough oxygen in the brain? What were yours or theirs final thoughts and do you believe death was at the end of the tunnel, also has this changed your religious belief in any way?
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Naomi24 - “Perhaps we don't yet possess the tool that might indicate otherwise...”
I agree. We don't posses a tool that can detect souls. It's fair to say that the existence of a soul (ie. a consciousness that exists outside of your physical body and despite your corporeal being) has not been proven in any way, shape or form. There's a very good reason why no one has tried to build a soul-detection machine – there's no evidence that souls exist.
If the human population is increasing (which it is – birth rates exceeding death rates globally) that means that the number of consciousnesses* and therefore, souls, is also increasing.
So where are these extra souls coming from? As an atheist, you seem to be sailing very close to theism ;-)
A theist would say that they are being created by God. Job done. Next question.
But if you believe in a soul and therefore existence without the body, how can this be explained within the context of atheism?
* if anyone can suggest a better word than “consciousnesses” then I'm all ears. It's a truly ugly word to both the eye and the ear.
I agree. We don't posses a tool that can detect souls. It's fair to say that the existence of a soul (ie. a consciousness that exists outside of your physical body and despite your corporeal being) has not been proven in any way, shape or form. There's a very good reason why no one has tried to build a soul-detection machine – there's no evidence that souls exist.
If the human population is increasing (which it is – birth rates exceeding death rates globally) that means that the number of consciousnesses* and therefore, souls, is also increasing.
So where are these extra souls coming from? As an atheist, you seem to be sailing very close to theism ;-)
A theist would say that they are being created by God. Job done. Next question.
But if you believe in a soul and therefore existence without the body, how can this be explained within the context of atheism?
* if anyone can suggest a better word than “consciousnesses” then I'm all ears. It's a truly ugly word to both the eye and the ear.
Birdie, //As an atheist, you seem to be sailing very close to theism//
Not at all. Why is it that even the most diehard atheists appear unable to detach themselves from the notion of 'God' where the 'supernatural' is concerned? Are we all really that indoctrinated? Whenever anything we deem 'supernatural' is mentioned, atheists, just like the religious, pounce on the God solution - only in the case of the non-believer, despite the millions of reports from people who claim to have had extraordinary experiences, that automatically means that the 'supernatural' cannot possibly exist - and actually I think that's very short-sighted indeed.
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Not at all. Why is it that even the most diehard atheists appear unable to detach themselves from the notion of 'God' where the 'supernatural' is concerned? Are we all really that indoctrinated? Whenever anything we deem 'supernatural' is mentioned, atheists, just like the religious, pounce on the God solution - only in the case of the non-believer, despite the millions of reports from people who claim to have had extraordinary experiences, that automatically means that the 'supernatural' cannot possibly exist - and actually I think that's very short-sighted indeed.
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//But if you believe in a soul and therefore existence without the body, how can this be explained within the context of atheism?//
But why should we automatically assume that belief in a God is a factor at all? This is what I don't understand. Believers claim to know the answers but they don't, so theism is irrelevant. If we want to discover what's really happening here, we must acknowledge that and look at the question realistically. As a non-believer, it would suit my purpose very well to simply ignore or refute such claims, or to declare that each and every report is bunkum, or justifiable in biochemical or neurophysiological terms, but I don't do that because I am honest enough to concede that people do experience the inexplicable - and experience has taught me that some incidences do, in fact, affect our physical world. Neither do I claim to have all the answers, but I can only imagine that the soul consists of accumulated energy generated by our thoughts, experiences and emotions throughout our lives. Since we know that energy cannot be destroyed, it follows that after death that energy must still exist - hence new 'souls' are being created continually. Just a theory, of course, but since I don't believe that anything is 'supernatural', it's the best explanation I can offer.
//But if you believe in a soul and therefore existence without the body, how can this be explained within the context of atheism?//
But why should we automatically assume that belief in a God is a factor at all? This is what I don't understand. Believers claim to know the answers but they don't, so theism is irrelevant. If we want to discover what's really happening here, we must acknowledge that and look at the question realistically. As a non-believer, it would suit my purpose very well to simply ignore or refute such claims, or to declare that each and every report is bunkum, or justifiable in biochemical or neurophysiological terms, but I don't do that because I am honest enough to concede that people do experience the inexplicable - and experience has taught me that some incidences do, in fact, affect our physical world. Neither do I claim to have all the answers, but I can only imagine that the soul consists of accumulated energy generated by our thoughts, experiences and emotions throughout our lives. Since we know that energy cannot be destroyed, it follows that after death that energy must still exist - hence new 'souls' are being created continually. Just a theory, of course, but since I don't believe that anything is 'supernatural', it's the best explanation I can offer.
\when my gran died many years ago my grandad reported that she died...and he tried CPR as a last resort traumatic for him) she "came back" for brief moment and told him..."Johny I have seen the most the most beautiful place, I want to go back" and then...she died again. Whether it was the effects of lack of oxygen (scientific) or the result of God allowing her to some back briefly...it gave the family ALOT of comfort.!!!
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