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Guardian Azed 1960

bobshawaddy | 02:31 Mon 21st Dec 2009 | Crosswords

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(Re-posted) Help!! Anyone anything - just an easy one so I can see how it works. I just can't get started. Thought I was getting somewhere with 11A - demeter ?meter gamete etc but nothing came out.

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Daily Record £500 Crossword

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kettledrum

What is the clue? What letters have you already got?

bathtub

Sorry, but this is one I haven't even begun to think about yet (the closing date is Jan 2, and there are other puzzles on shorter deadlines and that's not to mention everything that's happening in the real world!)
Just a thought - maybe 'abacus' rather than 'meter' might be a fruitful line of enquiry? I'm sure this will be discussed in the days ahead.
To help others without sight of the original, the link to the puzzle and the instructions is:
http://image.guardian...9/12/14/1960dec20.pdf

Helveticus

It's pretty tough and I am not quite there yet. It's hard to find a single clue in which none of the three words in the answer is obscure (unless you are a Scottish lexicographer!). For what it's worth, I found the contents easier than the wrappings and I solved 19A first. Bathtub is on the right lines for 11A.

pcoles

I think 11 across is OROBANCHES ...

bobshawaddy

Question Author

Still stumped - so re 19a - does brughiera come into it?

Helveticus

Alas, no.

bathtub

bobshawaddy, don't forget that Chambers, not the internet (with the one exception noted in Azed's preamble) is the source here. If it's not in Chambers, don't go there.

bobshawaddy

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Even when you guys spell it out for me I'm still stuck. OK soroban orobanches ches?. What's ches? from part of rest of the clue and then if I understand the method correctly what still remains of the clue gives sorobanches? (same ?). Are you saying I need a Chambers dictionary to get anywhere? One of those paper things with cardboard backing. I don't have one - I chucked it out when I replaced my soroban with a PC.

bobshawaddy

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Whoa - not wanting to boast or anything but I just got one - all by myself - well OK me and the internet - and also no doubt the brain was stimulated by having just knocked back my nightly mug of ptisen (leaves Horlicks for dead). Still woudln't mind knowing the missing letter to 11A.

bathtub

The word you're missing in 11a is CHESS (not in the ordinary sense, but an American term for a type of grass found growing with wheat.

bobshawaddy

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Thanks bathtub - I only now see what was meant by "consectutive jumble ... ", "beginnning at..." etc in the instructions.

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