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is everything pre-determined?.
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Everything thats happened from the beginning of time,
Do you believe its pre-determined?.
And if it is, just how much control do we have over our own lives?.
Do you believe its pre-determined?.
And if it is, just how much control do we have over our own lives?.
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naomi24
Sun 02/11/08
21:24 If everything is pre-determined, what's the point in praying?
I think even this is pre-determined that one day you would pray. If mother knows a little baby (few months old) would be hungry at 2:00 pm then why does she not feed him/her until the baby cries? And how she knows that baby is crying for milk? And then, when she gives him/her milk would you call it pre-determined? No I would call it knowledge of the unknown to baby. Pre-determined or knowledge of the un-known are two expressions. Pre-determined for human and knowledge of the un-known to God.
God knows that on such and such time you would pray for a specific purpose. I believe that prayers are always fulfilled. Obviously not all the time the way we wanted them to be fulfilled. But instead they are fulfilled the best way that God only knows. Our intellect might not be able to comprehend that.
I gave this example before that one business man was driving towards the airport as he was flying to attend a meeting that could give him orders worth millions. Got stuck in the traffic and started praying to God that he could get to the airport in time to catch the flight. He could not get there and missed the flight. �this is the worst thing happened to me ever and God did not even listen to my prayer� he said. Driving back home he heard on news that flight he missed, crashed after taking off killing all people on board. � I was extremely lucky to have missed that flight� He said.
Was he right about God not supplicating his prayer or he is right about being lucky?
I think God listened to his prayer by not listening to it. If prayers are supplicated so easily and clearly for whatever we ask for then I am sure tomorrow many a millions people would be asking God to make them a national lottery jackpot winner.
Sun 02/11/08
21:24 If everything is pre-determined, what's the point in praying?
I think even this is pre-determined that one day you would pray. If mother knows a little baby (few months old) would be hungry at 2:00 pm then why does she not feed him/her until the baby cries? And how she knows that baby is crying for milk? And then, when she gives him/her milk would you call it pre-determined? No I would call it knowledge of the unknown to baby. Pre-determined or knowledge of the un-known are two expressions. Pre-determined for human and knowledge of the un-known to God.
God knows that on such and such time you would pray for a specific purpose. I believe that prayers are always fulfilled. Obviously not all the time the way we wanted them to be fulfilled. But instead they are fulfilled the best way that God only knows. Our intellect might not be able to comprehend that.
I gave this example before that one business man was driving towards the airport as he was flying to attend a meeting that could give him orders worth millions. Got stuck in the traffic and started praying to God that he could get to the airport in time to catch the flight. He could not get there and missed the flight. �this is the worst thing happened to me ever and God did not even listen to my prayer� he said. Driving back home he heard on news that flight he missed, crashed after taking off killing all people on board. � I was extremely lucky to have missed that flight� He said.
Was he right about God not supplicating his prayer or he is right about being lucky?
I think God listened to his prayer by not listening to it. If prayers are supplicated so easily and clearly for whatever we ask for then I am sure tomorrow many a millions people would be asking God to make them a national lottery jackpot winner.
Keyplus, You've rather confirmed my point with your tale of the businessman. If his life was pre-determined, then the prayer was futile, because nothing was going to change what eventually happened.
As for a mother knowing when her baby is likely to be hungry, and feeding him when he is, that's nothing to do with praying, or with God - that's common sense. All mothers know when their babies are likely to be hungry because all babies are hungry at reasonably regular intervals, so I fail to see what you're getting at there.
As for a mother knowing when her baby is likely to be hungry, and feeding him when he is, that's nothing to do with praying, or with God - that's common sense. All mothers know when their babies are likely to be hungry because all babies are hungry at reasonably regular intervals, so I fail to see what you're getting at there.
As I said earlier I don't believe everything in life is predetermined, I do feel there is such a thing as fate but fate only punctuates our lives.
I love the atheist mantra of being logical, makes me smile I've seen on these very pages the words of a "logician" going against every piece of reasoning they espouse, against every piece of evidential scientific proof they laud because they don't agree with it.
I love the atheist mantra of being logical, makes me smile I've seen on these very pages the words of a "logician" going against every piece of reasoning they espouse, against every piece of evidential scientific proof they laud because they don't agree with it.
mibs, 'Your are born and you will die....that's all that is predetermined'.
Are you absolutely sure of that?, can you prove it?.
Although those were not my words, I believe them to be relatively reasonable and safe assumptions. If you do not believe that I was born I'm afraid I have no visual documentation to back up such a claim. As for the presentation of indisputable proof of the later . . . I think I'll hold off on providing that for a little while longer . . . if you don't mind . . . <"?
Are you absolutely sure of that?, can you prove it?.
Although those were not my words, I believe them to be relatively reasonable and safe assumptions. If you do not believe that I was born I'm afraid I have no visual documentation to back up such a claim. As for the presentation of indisputable proof of the later . . . I think I'll hold off on providing that for a little while longer . . . if you don't mind . . . <"?
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