Would You Give Up Territory For Peace?.
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Once again you demonstrate the short-sightedness of which I am so critical Smudge. The whole idea is to change the way people think about drinking and alcohol consumption, not to restrict it as if we are little children who don't knnow what we are doing. To think that our current culture of binge drinking is not at least partly influenced by restricted licensing hours is myopic at best.
Smudge, I don't actually drink much (usually!) when I go out. After the initial stupidity by the binge drinkers, I think the new laws will eventually work out well. I love it abroad when the bars are open all day, and also sell coffee and tea. It is great when I can have a coffee whilst my husband enjoys a beer. Binge drinkers are still the minority. I understand how frustrating it is for you when they wake you up, but personally I don't think you would find a great deal of difference if these binge drinkers stay on all night in the pub - except perhaps they wouldn't wake you as they would roll out at 8.00am!! I think we have to change to progress. All culture changes have to start somewhere and intially will cause more problems.
Smudge - I too disagree.
People say they are mature - Personally I know of no City Centre that is safe for a person to walk down on a friday or saturday night. Hardly mature behaviour then.
So suddenly everything will change after 24 hour drinking is brought in. Those people who were getting drunk will now decide not to get drunk, or is it the fact that not everyone will be on the street at the same time?
When will people learn that Scoiety as a whole is not responsible - hence we have certain 'restrictive' laws.
Saying you should be able to drink how much and when you like is as ridiculous as saying you should be able to speed whenever you want.
Drinking causes a lot of problems ( try having a heart attack on a Saturday night and see how quick ambulances turn up) and costs the country a lot of money.
There is also the point as to who would want to work at 4 am on a Saturday morning. Do people not realise that the cost of drinks will go up.
What I love about this argument is it is generally the same people who complain about Blair's 'nanny state' who whinge when he tries to extend and deregulate one of the nation's favourite pastimes.
Yes there are people who cause a nuisance when drunk and there always will be. I'm not sure whether extending pub opening times will increase or decrease that number. What it will do is allow people who are busy/ working the freedom to go out later and come home later.
Lets cut short the myth about 24 hour drinking as well. 99.99 per cent of the pubs will probably be shut by at least 2am anyhow. They won't be able to cover the overheads of staff etc for the very few people who will still be around drinking at that time. A case in point is the pub near me which has a lock-in regulalry but by about 1am it's nearly always empty.
The odd club might stay open till 5am or suchlike but generally speaking they're out of residential areas and will reduce the cost of policing and the risk thousands of people all converging on the same spot at closing time.
This is a relic of WW2 and should be scrapped.
P.S. I do like the way that only the anti-brigade get 3* ratings!
LordyGeordie - okay so the clubs you know of may be out of residential areas - the clubs I know are all in town cnetres - and guess what - people live there.
Even if they are out of town, do you think that people who have had a few are quite once they get out of their taxis in their own residential streets?
"What it will do is allow people who are busy/ working the freedom to go out later and come home later" - really - what people are these who couldn't possibly get to a pub before 11pm? - not many places I know have workers on a Saturday night staying till gone pub closing time......I used to work in a pub, and after works on a Friday/Sat we went clubbing til 2am - assume people still do that.
"99.99 per cent of the pubs will probably be shut by at least 2am anyhow. " - so why bother changing the law?
Strangest arguments I have ever heard - no stars for you ;-)
when i say non-residential areas i meant town centres. round our way most of the town centres are a mixture of shops/ commercial premises not residential properties.
I'm not saying people can't get to a pub before 11pm. But personally, on a Friday, by the time I get home from work, eaten, showered, changed etc its 9pm. Extending drinking hours in pubs would mean i could have more than a couple of hours talking to my mates without having to go to a noisy club if i didn't want to. Actually it's not so bad for me as our boozer always has a lock-in, but you know what i mean!
Why bother changing the law? for precisely the reasons i have given. it gives adults the option of staying out later if they want to.
In this day and age, 11pm is a ridiculously early time for people to be coming home.
FP - I didn't expect for one moment, for everyone to agree with me, otherwise there would be no point in having a debate. I just happened to give stars to the answers I though were more understanding & sympathetic to my controversial question.
Also, I do understand the meaning of your: 'Three stars to everyone who participated' on your Prince Harry thread, but read it shortly after I'd read your comments on this thread & just thought I'd mention it. Anyway it's water under the bridge now & we soldier on. Have a good day -x-
Surely the whole question can be resolved by using good old Thatcherism and free market policies. If the demand exists then after the supplier has done his sums and can make money out of it then it will probably come to pass in the fullness of time. If the return isn`t satisfactory it just won`t happen.
The problem of anti-social behaviour could and should be resolved by the police and judiciary being more realistic and actually dishing out appropriate sentences, whether the said behaviour occurs in the pub, street, home, or wherever.
There would probably be a few weeks before the novelty wore off but as there is only a certain amount of money floating around the system it would all smooth out and we`d soon be wondering what all the fuss was about.
We don`t need new laws.....we need enforcement of the existing ones. Didn`t we start off with only TEN ??
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