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High Court has stopped next week's mail strike
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The strikes planned were a series of rolling strikes affecting different area's of operation. So deliveries one day, Mail Centres the next, distrubion another, and so on.
That way, we'd create an impact but not a total stoppage, better for us because we didn't lose much, and better for the public because the disruption would be mimimised, and in some cases not even noticable.
It looks like the union should have said how many were striking when and where.
That way, we'd create an impact but not a total stoppage, better for us because we didn't lose much, and better for the public because the disruption would be mimimised, and in some cases not even noticable.
It looks like the union should have said how many were striking when and where.
Quite. Its not like we live in Germany, Eastern Europe, or Iraq, with unemployment far higher than our own, with millions desperate for a job on half our minimum wage. They'd be horrified to find out about a bunch of pansies illegally walking away cos someone asked politely if they wouldn't mind actually working all the hours they were being paid for.
The strikes were designed to maximize impact. Thousands have lost their jobs as a result.
The strikes were designed to maximize impact. Thousands have lost their jobs as a result.
Perhaps postdog would like to state how many hours they actually WORK a day, and by work I don't mean arriving at your designated depot, having a smoke, drinking coffee and taking your time delivering the mail etc etc. In other words if you pulled finger and stepped up the pace how long would a round actually take? What I have seen of postmen, I reckon it could be done in half the time and then they might deserve an increase with 2 deliveries a day.
My postman actually jogs around the village so his round can't take as long as some postmen i've seen.
I once had a parcel delivered at 7pm by the royal mail because the postman concerned had spent the day at the hospital with his sick wife so was catching up with his round afterwards...now that is dedication.If only all postmen were the same. I had a lot of sympathy for the workers at the beginning of the strike but after hearing about the dodgy practices I lost all of that.
I once had a parcel delivered at 7pm by the royal mail because the postman concerned had spent the day at the hospital with his sick wife so was catching up with his round afterwards...now that is dedication.If only all postmen were the same. I had a lot of sympathy for the workers at the beginning of the strike but after hearing about the dodgy practices I lost all of that.
I would just like to say that most of you don't know jack about why us postmen and women are going on strike.
You have been fed a lot of B/S from the media that are simply quoting 'union members are going on strike because of the pay' but in fact it's more than is being said.
The majority of workers are happy with the pay deal that has been offered but it is the strings that are attached to the deal that are simply unacceptable.
If you actually look elsewhere than the BBC (who are biased in the fact they too are owned by the Goverment.. no suprise which side they are going to cover) you can see what the deals are.
Believe it or not Royal Mail do actually employ other people than just people who deliver the mail... WHAT A SHOCKER!
I'm sure if you lot were put in the situation where your jobs were actually on the line, regardless of what part of the business you worked in, you'd be prepared to fight for it too.
You have been fed a lot of B/S from the media that are simply quoting 'union members are going on strike because of the pay' but in fact it's more than is being said.
The majority of workers are happy with the pay deal that has been offered but it is the strings that are attached to the deal that are simply unacceptable.
If you actually look elsewhere than the BBC (who are biased in the fact they too are owned by the Goverment.. no suprise which side they are going to cover) you can see what the deals are.
Believe it or not Royal Mail do actually employ other people than just people who deliver the mail... WHAT A SHOCKER!
I'm sure if you lot were put in the situation where your jobs were actually on the line, regardless of what part of the business you worked in, you'd be prepared to fight for it too.
alijangra - In total there are 22 strings that are attached to the pay deal, here are some of them. Obviously I cannot go into too much detail :
Flexible hours : Meaning management can change when you start and when you finish your duty. I don't work on the rounds, but this means that my manager can ring me up at 9 in the morning and say 'don't come in today, come in Saturday' or along those lines, it might be half day one day and then work it up for the rest. This means that anyone with a family who has to 'pick up kids from school' or people who do shopping in the evenings cannot make these promises because they don't know when they're working.
Also changing to start and end times. Once again management can ring up and tell me I am not working my usual shift and instead I'll be starting at 4pm - 12am. And this can vary from day to day.
Benefit stopages - This is encorporated into the pay deal. They say they'll be giving us a pay rise but instead they are cutting most of the benefits along with it. This means that if you work night shift (either 9pm-5am or 10pm-6am) you will be getting paid the same as someone who works the early or late shift. And annually you could be losing up to �4,000. So then think, why would I want to work a night shift if I'm not getting more for the antisocial hours? Also they're talking about removing the night shift completely.
Another cut they are doing is to the overtime rates. If you work doing overtime on a Saturday or Sunday you are working for the same rate as you would be if you worked a normal day, meaning that the SA you would have got for working a weekend has gone. Eventually they will be stopping overtime, and to me this is a joke (although I don't do it) because they amount of work that we will come into on a Monday will mean it won't get cleared and there will be a backlog.
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Flexible hours : Meaning management can change when you start and when you finish your duty. I don't work on the rounds, but this means that my manager can ring me up at 9 in the morning and say 'don't come in today, come in Saturday' or along those lines, it might be half day one day and then work it up for the rest. This means that anyone with a family who has to 'pick up kids from school' or people who do shopping in the evenings cannot make these promises because they don't know when they're working.
Also changing to start and end times. Once again management can ring up and tell me I am not working my usual shift and instead I'll be starting at 4pm - 12am. And this can vary from day to day.
Benefit stopages - This is encorporated into the pay deal. They say they'll be giving us a pay rise but instead they are cutting most of the benefits along with it. This means that if you work night shift (either 9pm-5am or 10pm-6am) you will be getting paid the same as someone who works the early or late shift. And annually you could be losing up to �4,000. So then think, why would I want to work a night shift if I'm not getting more for the antisocial hours? Also they're talking about removing the night shift completely.
Another cut they are doing is to the overtime rates. If you work doing overtime on a Saturday or Sunday you are working for the same rate as you would be if you worked a normal day, meaning that the SA you would have got for working a weekend has gone. Eventually they will be stopping overtime, and to me this is a joke (although I don't do it) because they amount of work that we will come into on a Monday will mean it won't get cleared and there will be a backlog.
---- End of Part 1 ----
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Monthly Pay - They are talking about changing our pay from weekly to monthly. Drivers have already had their pay situtation sorted out, and to convert to monthly pay they were given a little sweetner of up to �1,000 to help them through the first month and also to make them switch. With our pay deal we're not getting anything to help us along, we're being told we'll be switching to monthly and we'll have to cope by ourselves.
Pensions - This is a right fiasco. Royal Mail now want you to retire a little 'later' than most workers. They've said it's to 65 but it could be up to 70. Also they have a system where instead of working out your pension from your final salary they will now be working it out from your average salary. So people who have been working for Royal Mail for over 25+ years will be worse off. Simply because when they joined they were on something like �60 a week and now it's up to �300. Royal Mail will then take an average from all those years and make your pension with it, meaning you will lose thousands of pounds from this. And the great thing about it is top management will not be hit by this, instead they will get the normal process of your final salary.
And last but not least, the big one. Royal Mail want to cut 40,000 jobs from all of it's network. This means from postmen, to drivers, to people who work in the Post Offices. Also also Royal Mail want to close down alot of Post Offices from smaller towns and merge them into W.H.Smiths stores (I think Mr Leighton must have some shares in WH Smiths.)
Well there's a few of the strings that are attached. Hopefully now you'll know that it's not just the 'pay deal' we're walking out on. I know I probably wouldn't have seen idiotic comments from Spaced if they knew the facts.
Monthly Pay - They are talking about changing our pay from weekly to monthly. Drivers have already had their pay situtation sorted out, and to convert to monthly pay they were given a little sweetner of up to �1,000 to help them through the first month and also to make them switch. With our pay deal we're not getting anything to help us along, we're being told we'll be switching to monthly and we'll have to cope by ourselves.
Pensions - This is a right fiasco. Royal Mail now want you to retire a little 'later' than most workers. They've said it's to 65 but it could be up to 70. Also they have a system where instead of working out your pension from your final salary they will now be working it out from your average salary. So people who have been working for Royal Mail for over 25+ years will be worse off. Simply because when they joined they were on something like �60 a week and now it's up to �300. Royal Mail will then take an average from all those years and make your pension with it, meaning you will lose thousands of pounds from this. And the great thing about it is top management will not be hit by this, instead they will get the normal process of your final salary.
And last but not least, the big one. Royal Mail want to cut 40,000 jobs from all of it's network. This means from postmen, to drivers, to people who work in the Post Offices. Also also Royal Mail want to close down alot of Post Offices from smaller towns and merge them into W.H.Smiths stores (I think Mr Leighton must have some shares in WH Smiths.)
Well there's a few of the strings that are attached. Hopefully now you'll know that it's not just the 'pay deal' we're walking out on. I know I probably wouldn't have seen idiotic comments from Spaced if they knew the facts.
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