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pro.s and cons of studing your dog (correctly)
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Please dont hurl lots of abuse to me for asking the above question! I.ve been trying to find information onthis. I ,ve been on the kennel club site which does explain requirements (hip score, eyes, heart etc), but doesnt explain (proven) and nitty grittys for example, if somebody paid you a stud fee but their bitch didnt become pregnant, exactly what does it take for your dog to be classed as proven? julie
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I'll try to answer what I think you are asking - however your reasons for asking are not too clear!
If you have a male dog, it is unlikely to be wanted as a stud dog unless it is a very good specimen (as in having won top awards at shows) or it has rare bloodlines in a breed that has a small genepool. The breeder of your dog would be the best person to tell you whether your dog is likely to be wanted as a stud dog, and then it may only be on the very odd occasion.
A 'proven' stud dog is one that has actually produced a litter of puppies, which means that it is capable of mating a bitch and fertile enough to produce offspring, Some dogs never manage to mate a bitch even if given the chance, and some do manage it and don't produce puppies. Some produce offspring but they are not good enough quality for them to be shown or bred from. The difference between a dog and a bitch (no, silly I know the physical difference) is that a bitch can be taken to any number of different dogs, but a dog has to be chosen by the owner of a bitch, and they have a lot more choice, and most breeders would only choose a top quality male.
Also most breeders would use a novice dog on a bitch that had already had a litter, or an experienced dog on a maiden bitch. Believe me, it is not so simple as putting a dog and bitch together (unless of course your bitch gets out and finds the local crossbred romeo!).
As for the arrangement about stud fees/puppies this is between the owner of the bitch and dog to decide, but the usual way is for the bitches owner to pay for the 'service' of the dog, and if the bitch 'misses' (does not have any puppies) then they get a free return mating. Personally I don't take a stud fee until puppies have been born. Some people have a puppy back instead of a stud fee, but this is entirely up to the breeders to decide. Unless you know the other person extremely well (and trust them!) then get everything in writing.
If you have a male dog, it is unlikely to be wanted as a stud dog unless it is a very good specimen (as in having won top awards at shows) or it has rare bloodlines in a breed that has a small genepool. The breeder of your dog would be the best person to tell you whether your dog is likely to be wanted as a stud dog, and then it may only be on the very odd occasion.
A 'proven' stud dog is one that has actually produced a litter of puppies, which means that it is capable of mating a bitch and fertile enough to produce offspring, Some dogs never manage to mate a bitch even if given the chance, and some do manage it and don't produce puppies. Some produce offspring but they are not good enough quality for them to be shown or bred from. The difference between a dog and a bitch (no, silly I know the physical difference) is that a bitch can be taken to any number of different dogs, but a dog has to be chosen by the owner of a bitch, and they have a lot more choice, and most breeders would only choose a top quality male.
Also most breeders would use a novice dog on a bitch that had already had a litter, or an experienced dog on a maiden bitch. Believe me, it is not so simple as putting a dog and bitch together (unless of course your bitch gets out and finds the local crossbred romeo!).
As for the arrangement about stud fees/puppies this is between the owner of the bitch and dog to decide, but the usual way is for the bitches owner to pay for the 'service' of the dog, and if the bitch 'misses' (does not have any puppies) then they get a free return mating. Personally I don't take a stud fee until puppies have been born. Some people have a puppy back instead of a stud fee, but this is entirely up to the breeders to decide. Unless you know the other person extremely well (and trust them!) then get everything in writing.
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phew!! theres a lot to take in. I appreciate the time and trouble that you.ve took to explain the facts to me. The main reason of asking is that errrr ,well i dont know how to politly explain this but he.s never (done It) and would it be wicked of us not to let him b4 we get him done. We have no interest in showing him, he is kc registered, he does make a beautiful, very loving family pet. He has beautiful markings, and turns many heads. Is there no such thing as breeders who breed family pets?
No it would not be wicked - it would be worse to give him a taster and then take away his ability to do it! It could also make him 'bitchy' i.e. wanting to mate everything that moves (or doesn't - such as cushions etc.). He could start lifting his leg on you or your furniture, and try to get out to find another mate.
A novice dog often has no idea what to do, and unless the bitch is experienced, and the owner knows what to do, trying to mate two inexperienced dogs can be hilarious at best, and downright dangerous at worst, with either dog trying to bite the other or the people trying to interfere with them. The dog could be injured if the bitch tries to pull away if they are tied (if you don't know what this means then you should not even contemplate breeding). The dog could also become infected with a disease if the bitch has not been swabbed.
I have spent hours trying to get reluctant dogs to mate bitches, or keen dogs to be accepted by a bitch that not 'ready' because the owner has not known when she came in season. I have stood dogs on telephone directories because they were not tall enough or dug trenches in sand for the bitch to stand in, sat for hours on end on the floor (up to four in some cases) holding a bitch to stop her moving when tied, and made several visits to a stud dog often hundreds of miles away because I thought the bitch was ready. Got all the tee shirts!
You would also have no say in where the puppies went; how would you feel if they just sold them to anyone who had the money without checking the homes first, or making sure they were suitable to have one of their puppies? As the stud dog owner you are 50% responsible for bringing these puppies into the world.
Honestly, I would not even consider using a 'pet' dog unless there was an extremely good reason.
A novice dog often has no idea what to do, and unless the bitch is experienced, and the owner knows what to do, trying to mate two inexperienced dogs can be hilarious at best, and downright dangerous at worst, with either dog trying to bite the other or the people trying to interfere with them. The dog could be injured if the bitch tries to pull away if they are tied (if you don't know what this means then you should not even contemplate breeding). The dog could also become infected with a disease if the bitch has not been swabbed.
I have spent hours trying to get reluctant dogs to mate bitches, or keen dogs to be accepted by a bitch that not 'ready' because the owner has not known when she came in season. I have stood dogs on telephone directories because they were not tall enough or dug trenches in sand for the bitch to stand in, sat for hours on end on the floor (up to four in some cases) holding a bitch to stop her moving when tied, and made several visits to a stud dog often hundreds of miles away because I thought the bitch was ready. Got all the tee shirts!
You would also have no say in where the puppies went; how would you feel if they just sold them to anyone who had the money without checking the homes first, or making sure they were suitable to have one of their puppies? As the stud dog owner you are 50% responsible for bringing these puppies into the world.
Honestly, I would not even consider using a 'pet' dog unless there was an extremely good reason.
In answer to your last question, yes there are 'family pet' breeders, but they often don't do all the health checks, or even register their puppies. Also even 'top' breeders only have a very few top quality puppies in any litter and the rest go to pet homes, often because the colour or markings are not suitable for showing. Bearing in mind that there were 11,411 KC registered Cavalier puppies in 2006 they are not exactly a rare breed. A lot of Cavalier puppies die young from heart conditions, and I would always recommend someone to go to a reputable breeder who registers their dogs, rather than a 'backyard breeder' or worse still a puppy farmer, which sadly this breed does seem to attract. Buy the best you can and you should have a good chance of having a healthy, happy puppy that will live a long life.
thanks once again for your time and trouble.Think maybe best left to the experts! oh my dog regularly gives the cushion one usually a few minutes after eating, do you think this will stop once we get him done? lastly i.ve seen two jack russels tied together( about 20 years ago) and the bitch was squeeling, wasnt a very nice memory!! thanks you.re extremely helpful X
Having him castrated with reduce his 'urges' and hopefully your cushions will be safe!
When the dog mates the bitch, he swells up inside her and is unable to withdraw, this tie can last from a few seconds to several hours, although it is not necessary for a tie to occur for a bitch to become pregnant, a 'slip mating' can result in puppies. This is why there is no point in throwing a bucket of water of dogs that are 'stuck' together in the street!
Now for the joke: a man phones the vet during the night and says his dog is stuck while mating his bitch and how can he stop them - the vet says put the phone near to them and wait for it to ring - will this work asks the man, well said the vet, it sure as h*ll stopped me!
When the dog mates the bitch, he swells up inside her and is unable to withdraw, this tie can last from a few seconds to several hours, although it is not necessary for a tie to occur for a bitch to become pregnant, a 'slip mating' can result in puppies. This is why there is no point in throwing a bucket of water of dogs that are 'stuck' together in the street!
Now for the joke: a man phones the vet during the night and says his dog is stuck while mating his bitch and how can he stop them - the vet says put the phone near to them and wait for it to ring - will this work asks the man, well said the vet, it sure as h*ll stopped me!
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