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thanks lankeela, it has been a living nightmare, I wasnt present at the vets, so dont know what happened re the C section, pup was 5 ozs born, went up to 8 ozs, then back down to 5.5ozs - she decided she didnt like the teets and it has been extremely difficult, have a larger supply of teets than boots now! Feeding her with a syringe every 15 minutes or so now, and she has gained half an oz in 8 hours, and showing more interest in actually opening her mouth, such a stubborn little puppy. Still not out of the woods she will be a week old tomorrow, so need to get her up to 12 ozs and two weeks old. She seems calm though, and hasnt cried once. We think the large puppy that got stuck, was from the first mating, and the smaller puppies from the second, and they werent big enough to push the big one out.