ukranian Jews

[dot.hawkes]

this is a toughie, my ex husband's step-grandad was smuggled out of his village in about 1904 in a hey cart, with his parents. his father, Julius malalinski and his mother, Julia nee Weiss, had a furniture business but due to the events they were forced to flee. they came to london and set up Reubens furniture in Edmonton london, the village in the Ukraine that they may have come from was either Snowski; Shchors or snouski.
julius and julia had more children over here, a daughter Dora and sons nathaniel and heimi. but they were given the surname Emanuel over here and the little boy in the hay was renamed Barnet Emanuel.

The family owned the Kersal at the end of Southend pier for many years and a big amusement arcade in birmingham in the 50s.
Barnet married Debra Franks in 1942 but she died in childbirth,
After the family came here, they always had to carry around an id card or booklet with the word 'Alien' on the cover to prove they were legally settled.
I have previously used the naturalisation registers at Kew but they were for a later period I think. Anyone any ideas how long a family could use the alien ID before they had to register and become naturalized?

[JK2]

I had a look at all naturalisations of anyone called Julius between 1895 and 1940 and couldn't find your family members as Malalinski or Emanuel. Also tried Barnet & julia but came up blank!

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/s earch.asp

If you type in HO (Home Office) it brings up naturalisation details - including revoked ones. There were plenty of Julius's from Russia but nothing resembling Malalinski

[noxlumos]

I think there were a lot of people who never were naturalized at all dot, certainly in the case of my wife's ancestors who came from russia and romania I've never been able to find evidence of them being natralized and they were a similar timescale.

[dot.hawkes]

yes I did suggest that but they definately had the alien ids as his daughter still has his booklet cover. i am visiting her next week and so i will have a look at it myself. Good link there too fromJK2, I have used the registers and they are very informative

[JK2]

I think that is what Noxlumos is saying Dot. Yes they had alien ID's but they may have remained as aliens and just carried on using the ID's. Perhaps prior to the Welfare State, pensions etc it was not essential to become naturalised.

[noxlumos]

Yeah JK2, that's exactly what I was trying to say, I just don't think they ever bothered for want of a better word.

[dot.hawkes]

Right I follow you now, they could have applied and been given the card for ID purposes but never actually followed the application up, I know there was a part of the naturalization process that involved swearing an oath and so maybe they never completed the process. I will see what papers were left with the will etc.

[JK2]

Don't know if you know this site dot but it's got some really interesting stuff about immigration from Russia
http://www.movinghere.org.uk/galleries/histori es/jewish/origins/origins.htm

[JK2]

You've gor me really interested now Dot.
This site tells you about the Aliens Acts of 1905, 1914 & 1919. http://www.20thcenturylondon.org.uk/server.php ?show=conInformationRecord.35 It is very obvious that most immigrants remained Aliens - only a certain percentage applied to become naturalized. I suppose the majority didn't want to cut their ties with "the old country" of their birth - or perhaps didn't have the necessary requirementts to be accepted for naturalization. There was an agreement with Russia in 1917 to return some aliens back to Russia to serve in the army during the first World War after the assassination of Tsar Nicholas. They were given the choice of serving in the British Army or being returned to Russia. They were also allowed to plead their case for remaining here without going in the army. You may therefore find some army record of Julius or more likely Barnet having joined up.