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Ok As Promised - Suggestions To Halt Islamification
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NB for the pedants and nit pickers there may be exceptions to the suggestions below, I will mention them if I think about them, if I do not that just means I cannot think of an exception. This list is by no means exhaustive. You may note that many of the suggestions apply to any religion. Feel free to add your own suggestions.
1. Automatic rejection of any immigrant or asylum seeker that is Muslim.
2. No accommodation for the rituals or demands of any religion in schools. Religious education as a subject is allowed but must cover all main religions. All current religious schools to be converted or closed down.
3. No provision for any religion in the work place and no practicing the rituals of any religion. Employers can instantly dismiss any transgression.
4. Any extreme preaching (current UK definition) will result in instant arrest and internment until trial. If guilty 10 years to life no remission.
5. No Hijab or burka, full face coverings allowed in public.
6. No preaching except within the building designated for the purpose of the religion.
7. The production and supply of Halaal and Kosher meat would be illegal. Both Islam and Judaism have provision in their scriptures for this.
8. No religious “courts” , “councils” or other pseudo bodies to be allowed.
9. Local authorities and government generally are barred from any sort of special religious provision.
10. Any Islamic TV or radio channel must be closed down, any transgression should be treated as in 4.
11. Demonstrations are allowed but any extremist talk or placard will be treated as in 4.
12. Close down any jihadist web sites, blogs, Videos and prosecute those responsible where possible as in 4.
13. Block Imams access to any place of education, prisons, forces etc
14. Any attempt at implementing anything from sharia law to be prosecuted as in 4.
15. Allow no new mosques unless an old mosque is decommissioned. The total number of mosques to not exceed what it is now.
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First of all, Tora: Thank you. You've out your money where your mouth is so to speak and come up with suggestions to curb radicalisati
13:55 Thu 09th May 2024
A few months ago someone posted a YouTube clip of a woman on a TV discussion programme similar to Question Time giving the most incisive take-down of the argument about the majority of Muslims being peace-loving.
I've searched for it but can't find it - if anyone knows what I'm referring to, I'd really like to see it again
Interesting, and I am in agreement with some, but not others, on the basis of personal freedoms and rights that are an enshrined part of our society, and must apply to all.
1. Automatic rejection of any immigrant or asylum seeker that is Muslim.
No, that is blatant discrimination. There are laws, albeit unenforced, to control immigration, and they should be implemented properly, without the need for a blanket ban in the basis of faith alone.
2. No accommodation for the rituals or demands of any religion in schools. Religious education as a subject is allowed but must cover all main religions. All current religious schools to be converted or closed down.
Since that would encompass all C of E and Catholic schools, that is somewhat draconian. Religion plays an important part in a number of faiths, and sweeping all into a blanket ban is unreasonable.
3. No provision for any religion in the work place and no practicing the rituals of any religion. Employers can instantly dismiss any transgression.
Agreed.
4. Any extreme preaching (current UK definition) will result in instant arrest and internment until trial. If guilty 10 years to life no remission.
Agreed.
5. No Hijab or burka, full face coverings allowed in public.
That is an infringement of basic rights to dress as we please. The rules should insist on the right to insist on removal for security reasons and so on, and they should not be allowed in schools.
6. No preaching except within the building designated for the purpose of the religion.
Agreed.
7. The production and supply of Halaal and Kosher meat would be illegal. Both Islam and Judaism have provision in their scriptures for this.
Agreed.
8. No religious “courts” , “councils” or other pseudo bodies to be allowed.
Agreed.
9. Local authorities and government generally are barred from any sort of special religious provision.
Agreed.
10. Any Islamic TV or radio channel must be closed down, any transgression should be treated as in 4.
No, that contravenes basic rights to free speech.
11. Demonstrations are allowed but any extremist talk or placard will be treated as in 4.
Agreed.
12. Close down any jihadist web sites, blogs, Videos and prosecute those responsible where possible as in 4.
Agreed - tricky to enforce, but worth pursuing.
13. Block Imams access to any place of education, prisons, forces etc
Agreed.
14. Any attempt at implementing anything from sharia law to be prosecuted as in 4.
Agreed.
15. Allow no new mosques unless an old mosque is decommissioned. The total number of mosques to not exceed what it is now.
I think an assessment of just how many mosques there are actually are would be a good start, rather than simply assuming that there are 'enough' with no evidence.
TTT - // well I am amazed at how many you agree with Andy. //
That's because, for some reason, you assume a direct connection between myself and Islam, for reasons I have no idea.
I have maintained the same position on Islam since it was first debated on here - accomodation of Islam as a faith, but not when it infringes on the rights and freedoms of the indiginous population, together with an unwillingness to stay silent in the face of blatant egnorant predjudice.
That attitude is the basis of any and all posts I have ever, and will ever, offer on the subject.
I am not stupid, or blind, or deaf, or complacent, of any of the insults that come my way regularly, and hopefully my responses here will be a more accurate barometer of my thoughts - and concerns - about the increasing malevolent influence of extremsim in this country.
// regarding 15, there are 1500 currently and I assume that any muslim who wants it does have access. I think that's plenty. //
I am not sure about that - I do believe easy access to a religious venue of choice is a fundamental right, but that should be tempered with regular monitoring to ensure that extremist preaching is not taking place.
Imams should be in no doubt that extremist preaching will not be tolerated at all.
That should result in instant and permanent closure of the mosque involved.
TTT - // "That should result in instant and permanent closure of the mosque involved." - was going to suggest that but I thought it would punish all the attendees for one nutter so I pulled back from that! //
If Imams are advised that inflamatory preaching will result in the closure of the mosque, then such closure can be advised as entirely the responsibility of the individual Imam involved.
If they choose to ignore the rules of their host country, then they accept the consequences, that's how we work here, they must fit in, or have their platform of propaganda removed.
I'm happy with many of these TTT but "Block Imams access to any place of education, prisons, forces etc" seems a bit stern.
I worked and travelled quite extensively with an Imam, his views (apart from religion) were not far off mine. Which is why I struggle to understand why they all vote labour(He didnt - and no I didnt ask he volunteered it)
But I think it is a good start for debate. Forward it to your MP but if its the useless arrogant Elwood dont hold your breath.
First of all, Tora: Thank you. You've out your money where your mouth is so to speak and come up with suggestions to curb radicalisation. So many on both sides of the politics debate are blinkered and have their stock go-to opinions with no back up, so credit to you for this whole post, regardless of how much people agree with.
Now, some opinions. A blanket ban on Muslim immigration is a nonstarter. Immigration should be based on need, both the need of the immigrants for a safe space, and the need of this country for what they can offer us, on a skill level. Religious beliefs should be a secondary consideration. More important for me is looking at things like criminal convictions. Just as an additional while we're talking about immigrants, is that any immigrant found guilty of a crime in this country seemed worthy of a custodial sentence, should never be released back into the community. They serve their sentences in a British prison, and once that sentence is completed, they are immediately returned to their place of origin. No exceptions.
I cannot agree with the banning of burkas or hijabs, unless other religious dress codes are also affected, such as turbans or even wearing a cross. If the wearing of anything like that is forced upon someone, that is a different matter, but not a blanket ban.
I don't know if anyone here has ever meandered through the pages of the 'Ask the Imam' websites, but it could provide a degree of education because such people are held in high esteem and there are some extraordinary questions asked of them - one pregnant woman even asking if she should take her midwife's advice. Although the Imam in question went around the houses about Islam's teaching, its requirements and her duties, fortunately he eventually said yes, she should take her midwife's advice.
cheers Mozz, I understand your reservations. I don't expect total agreement. In fact I am surprised at the amount of agreement there is and from unexpected quarters too. The head gear thing needs refinement certainly, I'd settle for a ban on the "pillar box" look, standard hajib can stay, though I'd like to encourage Islamic women to westernise more.
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