thank you very much dannyk and mac, i had thought about eardrums but i still feel that it is rather an unwieldy clue and what would the "yes" have to do with anything? and i sill feel that deaden would be an equally acceptable answr, we muffle drums to deaden the sound in certain circumstances, forgive me but i think it is a clumsy clue but in any event i thank you both for taking the time to enlighten me. kindest regards to you both