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Why Have 60,000 New People Joined The Labour Party All Of A Sudden?
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Genuine labour supporters trying to save their party or mischievous Tories lining up to vote Mr Corbyn back in?
Personally, I wish labour would get it's act together. My long held opinion is tha a good Government is made by a strong opposition holding their every move to account.
Personally, I wish labour would get it's act together. My long held opinion is tha a good Government is made by a strong opposition holding their every move to account.
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They aren't just 'ordinary members' of the party though are they.
Not the people meeting on the street or the Momentum folk calling meetings. They are political activists.
And the brutal truth is, even if he had the best supports in the world, he's lost control of the PLP. So he physically cannot control the bit of the party that actually matters. What is now happening was always bound to occur the minute he was elected leader. And shows the folly of the new electoral system which manages to be even worse than the previous one.
Ironically of course Corbyn never showed an ounce of support or solidarity for any Labour govt in the past , so having helped to bring calamity on the party by his hapless leadership and quite possibly a dishonest role in the referendum campaign, you can forgive the other MPs now for returning the favour
Not the people meeting on the street or the Momentum folk calling meetings. They are political activists.
And the brutal truth is, even if he had the best supports in the world, he's lost control of the PLP. So he physically cannot control the bit of the party that actually matters. What is now happening was always bound to occur the minute he was elected leader. And shows the folly of the new electoral system which manages to be even worse than the previous one.
Ironically of course Corbyn never showed an ounce of support or solidarity for any Labour govt in the past , so having helped to bring calamity on the party by his hapless leadership and quite possibly a dishonest role in the referendum campaign, you can forgive the other MPs now for returning the favour
Unfortunately you may be right Namomi. I sincerely hope not though (the bit about the collapse of the labour party)
You cannot run a country with only one party and since the lib dems are dead in the water labour are the only hope of an opposition.
IMHO this is far more drastic and have a deeper longer lasting effect on the economy and our future than any Brexit vote.
You cannot run a country with only one party and since the lib dems are dead in the water labour are the only hope of an opposition.
IMHO this is far more drastic and have a deeper longer lasting effect on the economy and our future than any Brexit vote.
Naomi '' On the basis I've seen no public support for him_none whatsoever''
You can't have looked far then
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The London rally has been postponed until they can find a venue large enough to cope with the demand. There was a 'support Coybyn' rally in Cambridge 2 days ago, they were hoping for 500 supporters and got over 1500. Similar events have been taking place all over the country.
I have to admit they have not been widely reported in the media though!
You can't have looked far then
http://
The London rally has been postponed until they can find a venue large enough to cope with the demand. There was a 'support Coybyn' rally in Cambridge 2 days ago, they were hoping for 500 supporters and got over 1500. Similar events have been taking place all over the country.
I have to admit they have not been widely reported in the media though!
A lot of this is to do with the unpopularity of Parliament, despite the fact we've just voted to give out parliament back its 'sovereignty'
What a lot of people want, and what Corbyn and his advisers want it seems, is a politics outside parliament, which doesn't matter to them. That is the real reason why Jeremy won't go. Not only does he think he'd win again, which fe night well, but he doesn't really care about what parliament does. I'd suggest that's quite dangerous
What a lot of people want, and what Corbyn and his advisers want it seems, is a politics outside parliament, which doesn't matter to them. That is the real reason why Jeremy won't go. Not only does he think he'd win again, which fe night well, but he doesn't really care about what parliament does. I'd suggest that's quite dangerous
First Scotland and then Brexit vote was the clearest indication that the Parliamentary Labour Party is out of touch with Labour voters. Scotland has abandoned them, and in the Referendum, Labours heatlands in the North and Wales voted against Labour Party lines.
Corbyn is attempting to bring the Party back to its grassrootes, but the ToryLites in Westminster don't.
Corbyn is attempting to bring the Party back to its grassrootes, but the ToryLites in Westminster don't.
The PLP and the membership are out of touch with each other.
Meanwhile the country goes on, largely, I suspect, not caring.
"Traditional" Labour voters are not the people the activists think they are. That much is obvious. Many of them now vote UKIP. "Soft" Labour voters, if you want to call them that, will now run a mile from Labour, going maybe to a resurgent Lib Dems, or maybe to the Tories. I would say that the Corbynites are more out of touch with the electorate than the MPs, who actually have surgeries in their constituencies and who do doorstep meetings with voters.
A YouGov poll done the other day shows 84% of Labour members think Corbyn "principled". Only 24% think he can win an election though. Which is a staggering contrast, Maybe they're not so out of touch after all :-)
Meanwhile the country goes on, largely, I suspect, not caring.
"Traditional" Labour voters are not the people the activists think they are. That much is obvious. Many of them now vote UKIP. "Soft" Labour voters, if you want to call them that, will now run a mile from Labour, going maybe to a resurgent Lib Dems, or maybe to the Tories. I would say that the Corbynites are more out of touch with the electorate than the MPs, who actually have surgeries in their constituencies and who do doorstep meetings with voters.
A YouGov poll done the other day shows 84% of Labour members think Corbyn "principled". Only 24% think he can win an election though. Which is a staggering contrast, Maybe they're not so out of touch after all :-)
"Not only does he think he'd win again, which he might well..."
Ichkeria, the "which he might well..." part of that was all I was trying to tell anyone who would listen earlier on this thread! Given that 'might' is the operative word, it's clearly all about the future and no one knows what that will be.
Actually, I don't imagine he WILL win any more than very many people believed that 'Out' WOULD win last week, but just like them, I could be wrong and so could anyone else.
Ichkeria, the "which he might well..." part of that was all I was trying to tell anyone who would listen earlier on this thread! Given that 'might' is the operative word, it's clearly all about the future and no one knows what that will be.
Actually, I don't imagine he WILL win any more than very many people believed that 'Out' WOULD win last week, but just like them, I could be wrong and so could anyone else.
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