Ok This Is Just Getting Stupid Now

[jim360]

http://www.theguardian.com/media/mediamonkeyblog/2016/jun/27/regrets-ive-had-a-few-kelvin-mackenzie-and-the-great-brexit-u-turn

Still not interested in calling for a rerun but... can we all just agree that anyone who votes for something in future had bloody well better believe in what they are voting for?!

[jim360]

"The paperwork is lodged with the Solicitors and now we have to finalise who gets the bedroom furniture, split the CD collection and put the house on the market. "

Interesting analogy jth but the paperwork hasn't been lodged yet. So far we've only announced our intention to divorce at some unspecified future date.

[jackthehat]

It's lodged with solicitors, jim......it just hasn't been forwarded to the court....

[-Talbot-]

this is a slap on the face for a European system that is increasingly based on fear, on blackmail on lies


It is hard to disagree with that statement. Although it will be dismissed because of who has said it.

[Hypognosis]

@jim

//If leaving the EU brought along with it a 1% contraction in the economy then those £14 billion savings would be wiped out. //

This did crop up in the closing days of the campaign but not in any of the bigger televised debates. Anyone at work during the day will not be able to watch the Daily Politics, where things like the above were put to Brexit interviewees.

The Remainers' best counterargument to the 'dividend' was that we get "intangible" benefits from access to the single market.

Sadly, they never put a figure on this, something for the public to memorise, in the same manner as the, now notorious, "£350 million".

Intangible, it shouldn't be, either. Our total exports to the EU was a known figure, they just didn't give us the number. Not even the order of magnitude.

If it had been quoted as bigger than £146m/week then I'd have voted in.

Migration will deal with itself when either the job market dries up so there's no silver lining for them or the cupboard (93,000 square miles and shinking, as certain coasts erode away) is so crammed that even the migrants can't stand it any more.

Of course if the EU would be so kind as to either *build* us some more land or *grant* us more land (Calais, Aquitaine, or similar) on the continent to house these people, school their kids, look after their ailments and so on, then we'd be well on the way towards fixing our capacity problem.


@Talbot

//It is hard to disagree with that statement. Although it will be dismissed because of who has said it.//

Is the top half of your post a direct quote?
By a public figure?
If so, who said it and why would it make people reject what is says?

[Prudie]

In case Talbot doesn't pop in I believe it was said Marine Le Pen so a bit self explanatory for the second query.

[Hypognosis]

@Prudie

Thanks. Normally, I would have googled the whole paragraph but it wasn't in quote marks so I assumed it was paraphrasing what someone had said, in which case googling would only deliver thousands of incorrect hits.

Indeed, any French person who votes to leave Europe really doesn't understand how the whole scam is meant to work for them.

[Khandro]

Money. Money. Money!

The value of sovereignty cannot be measured by any economist's formula. Adam Smith, the father of economics, first observed that the prosperity of a country is decided by whether it keeps its 'laws and institutions' healthy.
This basic insight explains why nations thrive or fail and has been the great secret of British success: intellectual, artistic, scientific and industrial.
The principles of the magna Carta and achievements of the glorious revolution led to our emergence as a world power.

No one - economist, politician or mystic - knows what tumult we can expect in the next 15 years. But we do know that whatever happens, Britain will be better able to respond and adapt as a sovereign country living under its own laws. The history of the last two centuries can be summed up in two words: democracy matters.

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