Yob Britain

[Oneeyedvic]

Have a read of this story:

To give you a precis - A gang of 15 year old boys tied a 13 year old to a tree, bound his legs together with his tie, placed a monkey mask over his face and gagged him. They then set fire to him and filmed the attack on their mobiles.

Thirteen boys were arrested, 3 made statements admitting they took part. The others didn't. Since the 13 year old couldn't identify any of the others, the CPS decided not to prosecute the 3 who admitted it as they were "previously of good character" and it would be unfair to single them out.

Speechless

[georgit79]

Oh. My. God.

[nedflanders]

Yes and Tony says they're cracking down !!! Haha ! Again political correctness gone mad.

[ARSENAL]

For what its worth, I think alot of kids / youths nowadays have no protection when they are growing up.  By this I mean that more and more parents don't seem to give a damn, schools are a joke, and there is so much 'real' violence on TV.  Plus things like video games and stuff.  Kids re-inact this, and a lot of them don't know right from wrong.  Things is you are not allowed to discipline them, or take anything away from them, because of their 'human rights'.  It is ridiculous.  Its like society and values and all these 'right on' views are all consuming themselves.  I wish I had the answer to it all - but there are none - because you are not allowed upset anyone - least of all the people who are doing it.

[Ding-Dong]

A sad indictment of today's dwindling standards in parenting and the enforced impotence of teachers.

Sadly, you could add a piece to the end of the article along the lines of 'an adult passerby saw what was happening, intervened and in doing so a youth has alledged assault - the passerby has been arrested and will appear before magistrates in the morning'.

We need to go back to some of the old fashioned values, where teachers are actually allowed to instil some discipline, and parents also take a bit of responsibility for the upbringing of their kids.

A teacher friend of mine recently told me of a story of a parents evening where a parent was complaining that their child still couldn't use a knife and fork properly, and that she felt it was the schools responsibility to do so -when you are dealing with this sort of mentaility, the child doesn't stand a chance.

So, a bit of proper discipline required methinks - and I'm not a crotchety old git - I was a child of the eighties, which as far as I can tell was the last decade where teachers were able to instil some proper discipline and respect.

It is quite obviously apparent that the liberal softly softly, let me empathise with you o'child approach just simply doesn't work.

[Ding-Dong]

Plus it doesn't help that organisations like the NSPCC want to criminalise parents who give their children a light slap across the back of the legs or the back of the hand as a form of discipline.

(I can almost hear the hand wringers spitting out their bulgerwheatjuice in apoplectic fury that I have dared suggest a light physical chatisement is OK - "it is abuse, you are assaulting your child, it is a physical attack, they will grow up thinking violence is ok" yadda yadda yadda yawn yawn yawn - all of which, of course, it utter utter utter rubbish).

[Englishbird]

What is wrong with people!!!!!!!!! This country's gone ******* mad.

And ding-dong, i agree with you.

[metagirl]

horrifying. isn't justice supposed to be blind? i mean, they enacted a criminal offence and need to be punished according to the law.

[Loosehead]

These are scum bred by a generation of scum, backed up by a PC elite who have removed any effective tools of control from society. Teachers, police, adults generally command no respect any more. The CPS are staffed by guardian reading lefty's who'll prosecute a householder for protecting his property but will find any technicality to let off this kind of vermin. If something doesn't change, if the general public doesn't feel save then they'll protect themselves. Standy by for gangs of normally law abiding middle class citizens taking the law into their own hands, stand by by for dead yobbos being moped up every morning. Unless we can subtract the last 30 or so years of liberal, trendy lefty thinking then the true horror of vigilantism awaits us.

[libertie]

Absoloutely outrageous!

And for what it's worth I agree totally with Ding-Dong's post!

[brionon]

I want to apologise to my fellow Englishmen. Since I left the country ,many years ago, the place has gone mad. I think that my leaving has caused this degeneration, Sorry.

[Romeo]

If enough people are concerned about this type of issue, they can always start up pressure groups to persuade councillors and politicians to change existing laws, repeal liberal laws, bring back discipline, etc. But before anyone does anything like this, it is imperative to have some kind of workable alternative or genuine answer to the problem and not just eye-for-an-eye type revenge. Otherwise we just end up with lynch mobs.

[littleoldme]

Quite so, brionon, now get back over here and sort it out pronto. Ta.

Ding-Dong - I absolutely agree with your point about parental responsibility, or rather the lack of it. Your example of the mother whinging that the school hadn't taught her little precious how to use a knife and fork would be funny if it wasn't so sad. Since when has eating your dinner been part of the national curriculum? There was a time when I considered becoming a teacher...wouldn't dream of it now. The amount of verbal (and sometimes physical) abuse they are subjected to can be horrendous. I know it's not all schools - far from it - but the bad ones can be like war zones, and they cannot defend themselves. One hand on a kid and before you know it, there are accusations of brutality or sexual assault flying around - with the teacher, of course, guilty until proven innocent, and even then often not really innocent in some eyes - after all, little precious wouldn't make up a story like that, would he/she?

As for this news story, the three who made statements have confessed, for crying out loud. Unfair to single them out? Pathetic.

OK, rant over. BTW, nedflanders, I hereby bestow upon you the Loliptica Sneccorrets Golden Raspberry Award for gratuitous use of that phrase :-p.

[reportmonkey]

Nonsense violence never solves anything, their probably shouting out for attention and just need a cuddle at home.  Send them on a weekend adventure holiday so they can learn some valuable life skills, buy them each a playstation for doing so well.  And if they can draw little stick men on buses slightly better than a 4 yr old then marvellous, give them a new bike!!!

[Ding-Dong]

Blimey - post number 13 and nothing yet from any of the hand wringers that usually pipe up when people have the temerity to suggest that the little scum bags should be dealt with properly.

Are they all away arranging holidays for the little darlings I wonder???

[Andy008]

I think it is the police who decide to prosecute, the CPS act as advisors. But in any case the justice system in this country is designed to protect the criminal, so you may be shocked, but don't be surprised.

[Loosehead]

That was once the case Andy, the CPS prosecute now, that's why there is no common sense anymore. The police are just the main inducers of public prosecutions but they do not decide whether a case goes ahead.

[stevie21]

Ding-Dong - I agree with almost all that you say. I'm utterly amazed that any parent could complain about their little darling not being able to use a knife and fok properly. I can imagine the teacher leaning over to the parent and whispering "don't say that out loud - you'll be put in the loony house if you really believe that it's any teacher's fault!".
I disagree with smacking though. If you can't discipline a child without striking them then that's as sad a reflection of you as this story is of justice.

[louadams6]

Youre not the only one thats speechless Oneeyedvic! Would be interesting to see how Tony Blair responded to this one. He wants to issue parenting orders but its ok for the children to get away with such a horrific crime leaving them free to do it again! Its a world gone mad!

[louadams6]

and after reading the bbc news item i see 6 of them were suspended from school! Just giving them a holiday! for crying out loud! What can we do???

[spinchimp]

Where is ward-minter when you need him?