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Is Mrs Betty Brewer America's Best Christian?
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Just come across this parody site. Anyone else familiar with it? Hilarious :) Warning - do not watch if you are easily offended on behalf of your faith...
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mikey, mikey... mikey... where do you get your 'facts'. I travel in pretty large circles (meaning lotsa people, though some are overweight) and none I know of maintain what you claim. Most are believers and almost all recognize the major error of Bishop Ussher's chronology and count it as a remnant of history dust...
And... talk about no appreciation for irony... having used puns, ironic foibles and the like on here for several years to elicit a chuckle, the response from our English relatives is something to behold! Not only is the stiff upper lip cast in a cold, hard, irony sneer, any recognition of humor involving even a hint of irony is immediately jumped on (like our local coyote on a chruch mouse) to defame we, their colonist cousins... tch... tch...
And... talk about no appreciation for irony... having used puns, ironic foibles and the like on here for several years to elicit a chuckle, the response from our English relatives is something to behold! Not only is the stiff upper lip cast in a cold, hard, irony sneer, any recognition of humor involving even a hint of irony is immediately jumped on (like our local coyote on a chruch mouse) to defame we, their colonist cousins... tch... tch...
Admittedly it's from 2007 but Gallup seemed to find a large number of people who felt that the bible was true http://
Clanad. There are millions and millions of American people who believe in the literal truth of the Bible. All the new daft religions were invented in America....Mormonism, JW's, Seventh Day Adventists, Christian Scientists, etc, etc. ( don't even get me started on Scientology ! )
They all discard what science tells us in favour of an irrational belief in illogical circumstances. I have also travelled widely in America over the last 30 years. I have driven coast-to-coast 3 times, and I have met no end of Americans who are, quite frankly, barking mad. Very nice and very hospitable but complete fruitcakes !
If it wasn't for our less well educated friends across the Atlantic, it is doubtful that any of these religions would have got off the ground, let alone thrive with millions of followers. It might make for uncomfortable reading but its true. Americans ARE more credulous than us Brits.
See this for some evidence ::
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However, we need to be vigilant here in Britain as well :::
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And here ::
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They all discard what science tells us in favour of an irrational belief in illogical circumstances. I have also travelled widely in America over the last 30 years. I have driven coast-to-coast 3 times, and I have met no end of Americans who are, quite frankly, barking mad. Very nice and very hospitable but complete fruitcakes !
If it wasn't for our less well educated friends across the Atlantic, it is doubtful that any of these religions would have got off the ground, let alone thrive with millions of followers. It might make for uncomfortable reading but its true. Americans ARE more credulous than us Brits.
See this for some evidence ::
http://
However, we need to be vigilant here in Britain as well :::
http://
And here ::
http://
At some point I might go digging to grab the specific examples. On the other hand this excuse can't save everything. It's blatantly obvious in Leviticus that women get a raw deal -- and almost as obvious that those women who have read the Bible extensively try to pretend that this doesn't bother them.
mikey... my objection to your 'fact' post was the inclusion of 50% of Americans holding such views... which is completely untrue.
Are there people with alternative views... absoutely... but they are a small minority...
Oh... by the way:
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And here:
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Seems the UK has some pretty wierd organizations and believers as well, no?
Are there people with alternative views... absoutely... but they are a small minority...
Oh... by the way:
http://
And here:
http://
Seems the UK has some pretty wierd organizations and believers as well, no?
Clanad...I may have misinterpreted your post as being supportive of backward religious beliefs. If I have done so, than please accept my apologies !
You are right of course.....Britain does have some problems in the cult and weird religions area, as I pointed out in my post. Weirdo cults is one thing....fundamentalist Christianity is quite another. Christianity is main stream here, and in America. But in America millions are taken in by this nonsense...its a matter of scale. If we use Fitzer's Gallup poll above, a third of adult Americans believe in the literal truth of the Bible. That could be approaching 30-40 millions people !
I am getting a bit concerned that these religions are starting to get a hold in Britain, especially when it comes to schooling. Free Schools, for instance do not have to follow the National Curriculum. A lot of these new schools are religious based. Can we be sure that children attending these places are not taught conflicting lessons ?
For instance, if they are taught fundamentalist ideas in Religious Studies, which would include such nonsense as Noah's Ark, the world being created 6000 years ago, etc, dinosaurs walking alongside man, can we be sure that in Science classes, that they will be taught proper science ? I would hope that the kids are taught real science but doesn't that conflict with what they have been told is true in the Religious Studies class, and won't that simply confuse them ?
How, for instance could Geology or Geography be taught, using fundamentalist Christian principles, or Muslim come to that ? How would you explain to a child about how the Grand Canyon was formed, if you also taught that very same child, in a previous lesson, earlier that morning, that the world was only 6000 years old ? The two things are entirely at odds with each other.
I can only see this problem getting worse here in Britain, especially now that this hare-brained idea of Gove's Free Schools has taken hold. They don't even have to employ qualified teachers for goodness sake !
As a committed Atheist, I get a bit hot under the collar on this subject, so apologies in advance !
You are right of course.....Britain does have some problems in the cult and weird religions area, as I pointed out in my post. Weirdo cults is one thing....fundamentalist Christianity is quite another. Christianity is main stream here, and in America. But in America millions are taken in by this nonsense...its a matter of scale. If we use Fitzer's Gallup poll above, a third of adult Americans believe in the literal truth of the Bible. That could be approaching 30-40 millions people !
I am getting a bit concerned that these religions are starting to get a hold in Britain, especially when it comes to schooling. Free Schools, for instance do not have to follow the National Curriculum. A lot of these new schools are religious based. Can we be sure that children attending these places are not taught conflicting lessons ?
For instance, if they are taught fundamentalist ideas in Religious Studies, which would include such nonsense as Noah's Ark, the world being created 6000 years ago, etc, dinosaurs walking alongside man, can we be sure that in Science classes, that they will be taught proper science ? I would hope that the kids are taught real science but doesn't that conflict with what they have been told is true in the Religious Studies class, and won't that simply confuse them ?
How, for instance could Geology or Geography be taught, using fundamentalist Christian principles, or Muslim come to that ? How would you explain to a child about how the Grand Canyon was formed, if you also taught that very same child, in a previous lesson, earlier that morning, that the world was only 6000 years old ? The two things are entirely at odds with each other.
I can only see this problem getting worse here in Britain, especially now that this hare-brained idea of Gove's Free Schools has taken hold. They don't even have to employ qualified teachers for goodness sake !
As a committed Atheist, I get a bit hot under the collar on this subject, so apologies in advance !
Thanks birdy. As a rational person, I sometimes think I am a voice in the wilderness !
Can I give an example of the irrationality of religion, with a story that I have posted on AB before. In the 90's I worked for BT in Central London. I was based at a large telephone exchange very close to Harrods. I met an Indian chap there and we became very good friends. He invited me to his son's weddings about 8 years ago. I use the plural because he had a civil wedding and a Hindu. It was a very colourful and enjoyable weekend indeed !
This friend of mine is a very intelligent and highly educated chap, with a degree in Engineering. But he was also a committed Hindu. For example, he solemnly believed that the island of Ceylon was created by a huge mythical bird flying over the Indian Ocean and doing an enormous poo, which fell in to the sea and formed the land mass. When I pointed out that this was daft and irrational, he replied that he had no choice but to believe it, because his religion said that it happened.
Whilst we remain good friends, I find that kind of surrender of intellect difficult to square with a highly educated mind.
Two years ago I worked for a few weeks in a Team with a "born again" Christian. Unfortunately, she was far from shy and retiring and used every working moment to preach at the rest of us. It became very tiresome and we soon learned to ignore her as much as was possible. But in the early days I did make the mistake of using logic and rational to argue with her.
I pointed out that I had descended down into the Grand Canyon, right to the Colorado and climbed back out again, many years ago, before I became old and fat ! This remains one of the high points of my life. I explained all about the sedimentary rocks and the fossils that you could quite plainly see there. It was formed over the last 40 million years, but according to my colleague, it was built by God, fully-formed only 6000 years ago ! How did the fossils get in there then, I asked. She replied that they were put there by God to confuse us.
Well, it certainly fooled her !
I am extremely concerned that young children are being taught this kind of nonsense in school, and I think it is something that should concern us all.
Can I give an example of the irrationality of religion, with a story that I have posted on AB before. In the 90's I worked for BT in Central London. I was based at a large telephone exchange very close to Harrods. I met an Indian chap there and we became very good friends. He invited me to his son's weddings about 8 years ago. I use the plural because he had a civil wedding and a Hindu. It was a very colourful and enjoyable weekend indeed !
This friend of mine is a very intelligent and highly educated chap, with a degree in Engineering. But he was also a committed Hindu. For example, he solemnly believed that the island of Ceylon was created by a huge mythical bird flying over the Indian Ocean and doing an enormous poo, which fell in to the sea and formed the land mass. When I pointed out that this was daft and irrational, he replied that he had no choice but to believe it, because his religion said that it happened.
Whilst we remain good friends, I find that kind of surrender of intellect difficult to square with a highly educated mind.
Two years ago I worked for a few weeks in a Team with a "born again" Christian. Unfortunately, she was far from shy and retiring and used every working moment to preach at the rest of us. It became very tiresome and we soon learned to ignore her as much as was possible. But in the early days I did make the mistake of using logic and rational to argue with her.
I pointed out that I had descended down into the Grand Canyon, right to the Colorado and climbed back out again, many years ago, before I became old and fat ! This remains one of the high points of my life. I explained all about the sedimentary rocks and the fossils that you could quite plainly see there. It was formed over the last 40 million years, but according to my colleague, it was built by God, fully-formed only 6000 years ago ! How did the fossils get in there then, I asked. She replied that they were put there by God to confuse us.
Well, it certainly fooled her !
I am extremely concerned that young children are being taught this kind of nonsense in school, and I think it is something that should concern us all.
Mikey-
I couldn't agree more. Religion has absolutely no place whatsoever in schools. We are living in very odd times. Our understanding of the physical world and our power to harness extraordinary forces, both large and small, has never been greater and yet in our schools we seem to place religious teachings on a par with scientific ones as if they are somehow just different versions of essentially the same thing. Nothing could be further from the truth.
I have no problem with people who chose to believe in God and/or whatever “thing” helps them get through their lives. As long as they keep such notions to themselves and don't harm anyone else, that's fine by me. But when people hold beliefs without a single shed of evidence to back them up and shout those beliefs from the metaphorical rooftops while insisting that we all listen to them and never criticise or question the validity of those beliefs, well, quite frankly they can go and jump off a cliff as far as I'm concerned.
On thing's for certain; the continued existence of the human race (and the other animals that we share this planet with) and its continuing technological, cultural and moral advancement will not occur because of people filling their heads with religious notions and morally obnoxious religiously inspired practices.
I couldn't agree more. Religion has absolutely no place whatsoever in schools. We are living in very odd times. Our understanding of the physical world and our power to harness extraordinary forces, both large and small, has never been greater and yet in our schools we seem to place religious teachings on a par with scientific ones as if they are somehow just different versions of essentially the same thing. Nothing could be further from the truth.
I have no problem with people who chose to believe in God and/or whatever “thing” helps them get through their lives. As long as they keep such notions to themselves and don't harm anyone else, that's fine by me. But when people hold beliefs without a single shed of evidence to back them up and shout those beliefs from the metaphorical rooftops while insisting that we all listen to them and never criticise or question the validity of those beliefs, well, quite frankly they can go and jump off a cliff as far as I'm concerned.
On thing's for certain; the continued existence of the human race (and the other animals that we share this planet with) and its continuing technological, cultural and moral advancement will not occur because of people filling their heads with religious notions and morally obnoxious religiously inspired practices.
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