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Does The Bible Predict World Changes Up Till God’S Kingdom?
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We do not want to act “dumb,” do we? That is to say, stupid, senseless, unreasonable, which also means, unscientific? There is nothing else for reasoning, intelligent humans to accept but that the great Runner of this amazing “establishment” of beauty, design and power is an intelligent Person, even though invisible to our frail natural eyes.
And this it does in its very opening sentence, saying: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” -Genesis 1
And this it does in its very opening sentence, saying: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” -Genesis 1
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But do not our eyes show us only that which we desired to see? For it is ever the case that, oh, our senses do deceive us, and we alike deceive our senses, and so the cycle continues. Yet such deception is reinforced by the proselytising of those who would ascend to be our guides, and, indeed, our masters. For the shepherd leads his sheep, but the sheep know not where they be led. Be then, thou, a stray. For him that wanders alone has ever the choice over whither shall he wander. Follow the shepherd when he does lead ye to pastures green and pleasant -- avoid ye his path if he should guide you into the valley of the shadow.
//There is nothing else for reasoning, intelligent humans to accept but that the great Runner of this amazing “establishment” of beauty, design and power is an intelligent Person, even though invisible to our frail natural eyes. //
You don't know how it happened, so a God for whose existence you have no evidence must be responsible. There's nothing reasoned or intelligent in that. If you don't know, the only reasoned and intelligent conclusion you can draw is that you don't know.
You don't know how it happened, so a God for whose existence you have no evidence must be responsible. There's nothing reasoned or intelligent in that. If you don't know, the only reasoned and intelligent conclusion you can draw is that you don't know.
Where you been goodlife? Recharging your spiritual batteries? girding your loins and preparing to do battle with the infidels and heretics on AB?
"We do not want to act “dumb,” do we?"
We most certainly do not. Billions of years of existence and evolution have lead to a species capable of abstract thought, an emergent property of the biochemistry of the brain, and it is what distinguishes us from every other species on the planet - so I whole-heartedly agree - we most certainly do not want to act dumb.
"That is to say, stupid, senseless, unreasonable, which also means, unscientific?"
Again agreed. This is unprecedented,and vaguely worrying. Two propositions from goodlife, and I agree with both 100%!! Whats going on?! Am I being converted?
"There is nothing else for reasoning, intelligent humans to accept but that the great Runner of this amazing “establishment” of beauty, design and power is an intelligent Person, even though invisible to our frail natural eyes. "
Phew! Now I can relax! Normal service is resumed. I most certainly reject this notion of yours. Of course there is an alternative for reasoning intelligent humans, other than a meek and unquestioning acceptance of this proposition of yours of an all-powerful Intelligent Designer. For all these subjective elements of the world that you see - beauty, power and design - are,firstly, all subjective, and secondly do not automatically and unquestioningly point to an Intelligent Designer. Actually, studies,observations and the available evidence firmly reject such a notion in favour of a more naturalistic proposition. And, in your haste to demonstrate that the beauty of the world indicates purposeful design by a creator, please explain the Ichneumonidae, the parasitic wasps to me that live by feeding on their caterpillar hosts, or the organism that causes necrotising fasciitis, or the protozoan parasite responsible for causing malaria? How about Ophiocordyceps unilateralis, the parasitic fungus whose spores inhabit ants, altering their behaviour by getting them to climb a plant, clamp themselves into place, then wait whilst their bodies are consumed from within by the fungus, eventually resulting in a spike grows out of its head to release further spores?
All you faithheads fall over yourselves pointing out the natural beauty of our universe as evidence of some benign creator, conveniently forgetting some of the downright ugly elements of our existence......
Whilst we are on the subject of questioning things - why do you describe our eyes as "frail"?
"We do not want to act “dumb,” do we?"
We most certainly do not. Billions of years of existence and evolution have lead to a species capable of abstract thought, an emergent property of the biochemistry of the brain, and it is what distinguishes us from every other species on the planet - so I whole-heartedly agree - we most certainly do not want to act dumb.
"That is to say, stupid, senseless, unreasonable, which also means, unscientific?"
Again agreed. This is unprecedented,and vaguely worrying. Two propositions from goodlife, and I agree with both 100%!! Whats going on?! Am I being converted?
"There is nothing else for reasoning, intelligent humans to accept but that the great Runner of this amazing “establishment” of beauty, design and power is an intelligent Person, even though invisible to our frail natural eyes. "
Phew! Now I can relax! Normal service is resumed. I most certainly reject this notion of yours. Of course there is an alternative for reasoning intelligent humans, other than a meek and unquestioning acceptance of this proposition of yours of an all-powerful Intelligent Designer. For all these subjective elements of the world that you see - beauty, power and design - are,firstly, all subjective, and secondly do not automatically and unquestioningly point to an Intelligent Designer. Actually, studies,observations and the available evidence firmly reject such a notion in favour of a more naturalistic proposition. And, in your haste to demonstrate that the beauty of the world indicates purposeful design by a creator, please explain the Ichneumonidae, the parasitic wasps to me that live by feeding on their caterpillar hosts, or the organism that causes necrotising fasciitis, or the protozoan parasite responsible for causing malaria? How about Ophiocordyceps unilateralis, the parasitic fungus whose spores inhabit ants, altering their behaviour by getting them to climb a plant, clamp themselves into place, then wait whilst their bodies are consumed from within by the fungus, eventually resulting in a spike grows out of its head to release further spores?
All you faithheads fall over yourselves pointing out the natural beauty of our universe as evidence of some benign creator, conveniently forgetting some of the downright ugly elements of our existence......
Whilst we are on the subject of questioning things - why do you describe our eyes as "frail"?
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Well some 3,000 years ago a Middle Eastern man named Elihu said: “Look up at the sky and then consider.
Yes, for you who do not believe in God, there are puzzling questions: What or who put matter into the universe? Was the universe created out of nothing? Since matter is considered a form of energy, what is the source of the energy.
Yes, for you who do not believe in God, there are puzzling questions: What or who put matter into the universe? Was the universe created out of nothing? Since matter is considered a form of energy, what is the source of the energy.
The Universe exists because it must.
The lowest state of a system occurs when the energy is evenly distributed and the maximally disordered.
An infinite expanse of nothing would require infinite order if the energy was evenly distributed. A lower state can be obtained if the energy not evenly distributed.
Some of those lumps of energy will be very big in our scheme of things. Hence the Universe must exist.
No god required.
The lowest state of a system occurs when the energy is evenly distributed and the maximally disordered.
An infinite expanse of nothing would require infinite order if the energy was evenly distributed. A lower state can be obtained if the energy not evenly distributed.
Some of those lumps of energy will be very big in our scheme of things. Hence the Universe must exist.
No god required.
@ Goodlife "Yes, for you who do not believe in God, there are puzzling questions: What or who put matter into the universe? Was the universe created out of nothing? Since matter is considered a form of energy, what is the source of the energy. "
This should be equally puzzling for those faithheads that are interested in the fundamental workings of the universe.
Your answer, and those of your fellow faithheads, appears to be "Goddunnit" - and thats it, problem and question solved. Except it explains nothing. How did God do it? Exercising these supernatural powers, apparently.
God is more fantastical than the alternative - God would created far more questions than offering answers....
This should be equally puzzling for those faithheads that are interested in the fundamental workings of the universe.
Your answer, and those of your fellow faithheads, appears to be "Goddunnit" - and thats it, problem and question solved. Except it explains nothing. How did God do it? Exercising these supernatural powers, apparently.
God is more fantastical than the alternative - God would created far more questions than offering answers....
"Does The Bible Predict World Changes Up till God’s Kingdom" No because the bible is a collection of superstitious fairy tales, designed to keep the unscientific population under control of a cult.
“for you who do not believe in God, there are puzzling questions” but none of these questions are answered by the bible or the word of god. As time goes by science unravels the answers, puzzling or not.
It seems to me that you and your ilk just trade on what is not known, as god’s mysterious ways, which is how religion gained prominence in the first place.
People no longer fall for this rubbish, they realise that ignorance of something is just holding pattern until science unravels it, they realise that no religion can give an answer, they realise that religion just seeks to manipulate them for its own ends and there is no god.
My puzzling question that needs answering? Why in this day and age does anyone believe in god.
“for you who do not believe in God, there are puzzling questions” but none of these questions are answered by the bible or the word of god. As time goes by science unravels the answers, puzzling or not.
It seems to me that you and your ilk just trade on what is not known, as god’s mysterious ways, which is how religion gained prominence in the first place.
People no longer fall for this rubbish, they realise that ignorance of something is just holding pattern until science unravels it, they realise that no religion can give an answer, they realise that religion just seeks to manipulate them for its own ends and there is no god.
My puzzling question that needs answering? Why in this day and age does anyone believe in god.
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