The Prince Of Darkness In Disguise.

[wildwood]

Has any of the religious people ever wondered if, considering the misery, poverty and unbelievable cruelty throughout the word right under their God's omnipotent nose, that their idol is Satan in sheep's clothing, trying to pull the wool over their eyes, and Lucifer is really the good One who is portrayed in the bad light by the Faith?
This would make more sense to me than the usual "it's god's will' reaction to any bad event.

[sandyRoe]

The Manichaeists held that there is an ongoing struggle between a good, spiritual world of light, and an evil, material world of darkness. Maybe they were right.

[naomi24]

The idea isn't new by any means.

[birdie1971]

I think it's very difficult to square a just and righteous god with a being that openly advocates murder for trivial 'crimes' such as homosexuality and infidelity. It's also difficult to square a just and righteous god with a being that punishes not just the 'guilty' but their entire living family and their as yet unborn children.

The notion that god is in fact the devil in disguise is not one that can be easily dismissed and yet I suspect that a few will have a go by using the cast-iron proof provided by their holy texts...

[mibn2cweus]

//The notion that god is in fact the devil in disguise is not one that can be easily dismissed and yet I suspect that a few will have a go by using the cast-iron proof provided by their holy texts...//

. . . never having considered between the two of them, which was most likely the author of those texts.

[jomifl]

We can always resort to the bible for a circular argument.
Jeremiah 14:14
Then the Lord said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.

[mibn2cweus]

Who's zoomin' who?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIm4d9Kw5rI

[PinkLavender]

Yes! Thank you! Someone finally said it! I think that is totally possible, because people are so diluted and convinced to follow God with no questions asked and hate Satan no matter what. There is something really strange I have noticed as well. When I finally commit to God, bad events transpire in my life and I feel horrible. And I always thought that I'm a bad person for thinking that Satan might not be all that bad, because that's what my parents drill into my head.

So, yes, I have thought about this.

[jomifl]

PinkLavender, You may find the following link interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharism
The Cathars of South west France thought that the god as recognised by the orthodox and catholic chrstian church was really the devil. They were persecuted to oblivion by the evolving catholic church with the result that many thousands of innocent people were burnt to death in the name of the all forgiving christian god. irony isn't in it.;-(
By the way it is even more ironic since neither god nor the devil have ever been proved to exist.

[anneasquith]

you forgot to mention all the good things that are happening around the world

[jomifl]

The bad things haven't been mentioned either.

[birdie1971]

Anneasquith - “... you forgot to mention all the good things that are happening around the world...”

Do you mean all the good things apart from famine, pestilence, poverty, murder, genocide, torture, wrongful imprisonment, natural disasters, genetic abnormalities, tragic accidents, etc.?

If there's a god then he can't just be responsible for the 'good' bits. He has to also be responsible for the 'bad' bits. It's no good looking at a new-born lamb and saying, “Aww, isn't it wonderful and isn't God great?” whilst ignoring children with terminal cancer.

[Answerprancer]

Bloody Norah! Nothing from Goodlife?
Then again it's *him* who has to call the shots so no surprise if no answer from Ab's resident witness. (Maybe he didn't see the accident).

[Answerprancer]

..then again, staying up late on a Saturday night may well be regarded as "demoniacal".

[goodlife]

In order for us today to counteract the ridicule of Atheists ridiculers whose arising was foretold for these “last days,” it is very urgent that we believers recall what God inspired prophets said, even though this was long before the appearing of these modern-time ridiculers, scoffers, mockers.

All the way from the antediluvian prophet Enoch down through almost three thousand years to the postexilic Jewish prophet Malachi, Jehovah’s prophets who preceded Jesus Christ have foretold events and conditions due to mark these “last days.” So it is really nothing unexpected that faith-destroying ridiculers should arise in these “last days” of this wicked system of things. Rather, their arising simply confirms the accuracy of the prophecies by fulfilling them.

[naomi24]

Nice new avatar, Goodlife. That reminder should keep you going for a while. ;o)

[LazyGun]

@Goodlife

Again with the unattributed cut and paste? How often must you be told?

Really not at all sure how much credence or attention we should give to a sub-sect of christianity, one that proclaims that only it is the true voice of god, which has regularly made false prophecies- Quite apart from the principle that prophecy is bunkum anyway....

Exactly how much credibility can the JWs have when their false prophecies are catalogued?

http://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses-and-their-many-false-prophecies

[vetuste_ennemi]

Malachi 4: "1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts."

I particularly like verse 3: mature toleration, yes?

[goodlife]

Lazygun.
It is a shame I dont waste the time searching out your C&P. But there again, I am not like you. Say no more.
But once again i say to you - I cannot attribute anything to anyone because there is no one to attribute it to.

[jomifl]

Goodlife, as you can see there is a biblical quote to support just about any view or opinion. Now when can we expect this end of days thing to happen? The movie with Arnie in the lead male role was quite entertaining but a tad too glib, just like the JWs. Another 3000 years or next April 1st?

[jomifl]

GL, perhaps you will find this helpful, it is from abook wel known to you.

Jeremiah 14:14
Then the Lord said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds

Jeremiah 23:16
This is what the Lord Almighty says: “Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the Lord.
Lamentations 2:14
The visions of your prophets were false and worthless; they did not expose your sin to ward off your captivity. The prophecies they gave you were false and misleading.


Ezekiel 13:9
My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign Lord

Hosea 11:6
A sword will flash in their cities; it will devour their false prophets and put an end to their plans.

So be sure you have understood the word of your lord otherwise he may misunderstand you. despite being omniscient etc.