Respect for all creeds, OK?

[solvitquick]

Many of us claim they respect others irrespective of race, colour or creed. Sure I'm happy with race and colour plus other additions e.g. sex. But I can think of so many creeds which vary from the intolerant, through money-making schemes to pure evil. Examples: (a) "christians" who will not tolerate any contradiction to the literal translation of the King James bible - so no teaching of Darwinism, no abortion, no blood-transfusion; (b) sects which have led to mass suicide; {c) Islamic death fatwahs against critics of the Koran and chopping off hands of thieves; (d) Pagans and others who believe(d) in human or animal sacrifice.
This is a simple question because its validity seems questionable to me, wot say you?

[Duncer]

C'mon Naomi, we need things to look at and listen to as we starve to death.

[naomi24]

Haaa! :o)

[Khandro]

//I suppose a Martian could argue that when human beings are starving and living in poverty on earth, great churches, paintings, and music, are not really positive symbols of one who taught love and compassion.// These things were made by human beings striving for the supreme statement, and have no relationship to the plight of today's starving African child, to make such a connection is jejune, and as usual when you have no sensible reply, you sink into (what you consider to be) comedy.

[naomi24]

Khandro, I wasn’t joking so your reference to a sensible reply doesn’t warrant a considered response. Yes, some places of worship are, indeed, truly magnificent, as is some artwork, and some music, but I can’t consider any of those things to be anything to crow about when religion continues to stockpile and hoard the wealth and presents its splendidly dressed representatives as bastions of knowledge and morality to preach love, compassion, and charity to the trembling masses - whilst at the same time turning a blind eye to the pain – in fact, in some instances purposefully exacerbating the pain. What utter hypocrisy! The humans who made these things in an effort to strive for the supreme statement certainly succeeded, because nothing tells the true story of religion so well – and if you think that opinion is ‘jejune’, then I’ll repeat what I’ve said before. You understand so very little.

[solvitquick]

Khandro, I think you are going way over the top in desperation now. I regard sniping from you as a credit to me, especially after my overcharitable comments about you and your ilk. You say you are unqualified to comment in depth about christianity - right! given your praise of their rich material worship. But you are a very bad advocate of your own delusions as well. I'll leave you to others now as you are waste of space and time.

[chakka35]

Among the religionists I know I don't show open disrespect - that is, I don't jeer at their foolish beliefs. But I don't respect them any more than I do those who prefer to waste their intellects on ouija boards or Tarot cards rather than on the real wonders of this universe.

I have never understood the idea that we must respect something daft "because it's his religion".

[Khandro]

//religion continues to stockpile and hoard the wealth// What a curious and warped way of looking at religion.

[birdie1971]

Keyplus - “... Once I made an offer to one very regular poster to come with me for one month on my expense (although I am not a rich person) and show me how many people would he find in that country with one hand missing?...”


This is me you are talking about. And no – you didn't offer to challenge me to find people with one hand missing. What you originally offered was to fly me out to Pakistan so that I could have a debate with you and your pals about the finer points of Islam. That was the 'offer'.

You have changed this tale so many times Keyplus. When I mentioned it to you about 12 months ago you claimed to have no memory of such an offer. You flat-out refused to acknowledge what you are now again claiming.

You have lied so many times about this issue that you have clearly forgotten what you have claimed to have said. You continue to demonstrate your inherent dishonesty.


“Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practise to deceive.” - Sir Walter Scott.

[mibn2cweus]

//“Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practise to deceive.” - Sir Walter Scott.//

Few phrases that come to mind sum up the paradigm of religion better than that one.

[naomi24]

Khandro, //religion continues to stockpile and hoard the wealth//

//What a curious and warped way of looking at religion.//

It is? Why? Have you ever taken a good look at St Peter's and the Vatican Museum?

[Duncer]

For sale - assorted Nazi war treasures going cheap.

For further information contact the Vatican.

[Khandro]

naomi; //Have you ever taken a good look at St Peter's and the Vatican Museum?// Yes I have as a matter of fact, and it is fabulous. It contains, among most things quite entitled to be there, one of my favourite sculptures, the Laocoön. Duncer; Most of the worlds great collections contain plunder, no less so the British Museum, they are available for everyone to view and enjoy, and as long as this is so, it hardly matters where they are located, does it?

[naomi24]

Khandro, //Yes I have as a matter of fact, and it [St Peter’s and the Vatican Museum] is fabulous.//

Fabulous, ostentatious, and absolutely priceless - but does it really represent Christianity as it is preached? No, it doesn’t. If you told your group of Martians //all this stems from one man who lived 2,000 years ago, who taught love and compassion.// you’d be lying because I’d hazard a guess that Jesus would find it utterly contrary to his philosophy, and I’ve no doubt he would hold the same opinion of men of religion now as he held then. Hypocrites!


//Most of the worlds great collections contain plunder, no less so the British Museum, they are available for everyone to view and enjoy, and as long as this is so, it hardly matters where they are located, does it? //

It hardly matters where it’s located? Are you serious? The curators of the British Museum do not presume to tell other people how to live, but the church has the gall to preach morality to the world at large whilst it does precisely what it tells everyone else not to do. You astonish me – you really do. Where are your principles?

[Duncer]

Spot on Naomi, any organisation preaching moral guidelines and the sin of "Thou shalt not steal" can hardly be the guardian of stolen artefacts. Nor can it ask for alms for the poor, from those who are not very wealthy themselves, when it is fabulously rich, or does this contradiction escape you Khandro?

[Khandro]

Jesus Anointed at Bethany

6While Jesus was in Bethany in the home of a man known as Simon the Leper, 7a woman came to him with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, which she poured on his head as he was reclining at the table.

8When the disciples saw this, they were indignant. “Why this waste?” they asked. 9“This perfume could have been sold at a high price and the money given to the poor.”

10Aware of this, Jesus said to them, “Why are you bothering this woman? She has done a beautiful thing to me. 11The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me. 12When she poured this perfume on my body, she did it to prepare me for burial. 13I tell you the truth, wherever this gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her.”

[jomifl]

^ and that concludes the argument...If they did it in the bible then it is OK?

[Duncer]

An oily napper doens not give a supposedly Christian organisation the right to hoard treasures while their poor deluded adherents starve, or does it?

[Khandro]

Thank you jom. quod erat demonstradum !

[jomifl]

So Khandro..you arent a buddhist after all you are a christian! why didn't you just say so? It's nothing to be ashamed of, really.