42 % Muslims In British Prison Population. Omg

[beezaneez]

just read about this, ok its in prison, who cares about them, well i do. if this is the growing trend inside a prison then what is our country as a whole going to be like in 10 years time. sharia law courts being introduced. jihadists are becoming more and more popular. they will make the troubles in belfast, northern ireland and uk look like a walk in the park. mass immigration , no jobs , NHS is in deep trouble. obamacare in the USA.

what is going to become of our country ? i really do fear for my childrens future. its scary !!! the world is changing so fast and not for the better.

im just waiting on some idiot replying that immigration is good for our country tut tut .

UKIP getting my next vote for sure !!!

[emmie]

totally agree with Naomi and Ludwig on this, brought up from birth to believe in an ideology, faith, how can they think for themselves, until perhaps older and sometimes not even then, because parental, family pressure can stop them believing they don't have to go along with what their families believe - if you are going to be ostracised, condemned for walking away from a faith, culture your family have been brought up in then that is an incentive to not change -

[pixie373]

It may be hard, emmie- it's still a choice. The danger here is that people can be excused for their actions if it's due to "brainwashing", as they aren't in their right minds. It's such an unlikely scenario, we should be educating and encouraging people to think- not telling them they can't help it.

[naomi24]

Pixie, the term covers a far broader spectrum. Have a look at the synonyms.

http://thesaurus.com/browse/brainwash

//It's a form of mind control//

Yes indeed.

[pixie373]

I'm aware of the synonyms- and that the word is bandied about colloquially, without the real meaning. For there to be any chance of success at all, we must be talking about the proper methods, which, as i said are very unsuccessful.

[emmie]

so how do we explain the likes of Adebaljo who was brought up in a strict Christian household, he converts along the way to Islam, frying pan and fire come to mind, but his conversion caused the death of a man, would he had done that had he stuck to his Christian roots. He obviously needed to belong, to be part of something that many of us cannot understand, the mentality to go out and kill in the name of one religion or another, as we see every day, its something i don't profess to understand at all.

[pixie373]

He's an evil person looking for an excuse. Religion didn't do it, a person did it.

[ummmm]

Maybe he was a murderous lunatic anyway and radical Islam suited that...

[emmie]

you don;t have to stick the person in a locked room with only excessively loud music, or torture methods used to brainwash people, if you are taught from birth that God existed, that Jesus rose from the dead, its a hard thing to break and if as Naomi say a five year old is spouting this nonsense, how much harder will it be as he/she gets older.

[pixie373]

He was. Criminal tendencies are mostly innate. They just need an excuse.

[pixie373]

Yes, i was taught that from birth, emmie. But am able to think for myself.

[emmie]

his religion was the reason, that we are the infidel, that Islam is all, sorry nothing will convince me he is a madman, but brainwashed by an ideology, religion that has and does cause mayhem across the globe, not least because many of its adherents are splintered, and not just into Sunni and Shia, skewed thinking, and you have a recipe for carnage.

[emmie]

pixie, many however are not like you.

[pixie373]

Everyone can think for themselves, unless they are mentally ill. That's a different situation.

[emmie]

there is nowhere that i have seen, and read that he had any criminal tendencies, as i said a strict Christian background, he was radicalised at whichever point, perhaps hoping to find some meaning to his miserable life.

[emmie]

everyone can think for themselves, but how do you go against the ideology, religion, that is pushed at you from birth, be it Islam, Judaism, Christianity, i went to a church school, i didn't do so perhaps my family were overly religious, but it was the one available with a good record, however i had made my mind up long ago that i didn't believe any of this claptrap, however billions of people do, many wholeheartedly

[ummmm]

What's a strict Christian upbringing?

[emmie]

the one he apparently was brought up in, if you read anything about him and the case.

[ummmm]

Yes...but how do you know his parents wouldn't have been just as strict without religion? We don't...

[naomi24]

Pixie, the problem isn’t that we say people can’t help it – or in the case of Adebaljo that his actions were as a result of his innate tendencies - that serves only to exempt religion from its responsibilities - the problem is society doesn’t condemn the process of religious indoctrination - regardless of what it promotes. He did what he did in the name of Allah, his ideas were born of religious instruction, but nevertheless religion is deemed to be beyond criticism – and that is what needs to change. Rather than continue to close a blind eye, we must acknowledge that religious indoctrination is a blight on this planet - and we need to start saying very clearly, ‘This is unacceptable’.

[emmie]

BBC link

Adebolajo's original friends and family were not in the forefront of his mind the day he cut down a man on the streets of London.

He came from a Christian family in Romford on the border of London and Essex. He had plenty of white friends, one of whom was Kirk Redpath, an Irish Guard who was killed by an insurgent's roadside bomb in Iraq.

Like his co-defendant, Adebolajo's family were hard-working Nigerian immigrants.

His parents would take him to church every Sunday and he was taught by his mother how to pray. He learned at the knee of a Jehovah's Witness called Ron - a man who he said had a massive influence on his religious outlook.