Other Sports1 min ago
Does it pay to help?
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What an extraordinary case, here we have a woman who was charged and branded a racist, because all she wanted to do was to help a pregnant woman.
It is such cases as this that helps to breed racism.
What an extraordinary case, here we have a woman who was charged and branded a racist, because all she wanted to do was to help a pregnant woman.
It is such cases as this that helps to breed racism.
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What an incredibly well-balanced article from both sides of the story.
In answer to your question AOG, no, it certainly does not pay to help, and neither should it. You help a stranger simply because you want to help a stranger, and that's all there is to it.
We all do it - two weeks ago I was outside a bar and witnessed a young white woman, very much 'worse for wear' about to jump into an unlicensed cab who was simply waiting outside touting for business.
A 'gang'of black teenagers told her to let it go, and wait under the awning. Then another waited (in the rain) until he could hail a cab.
Simple example of who we are.
However, as this is an everyday (ie. non newsworthy) occurance, it won't be picked up by any news outlet...
Allowing ourselves to think that extreme stories presented to us in the press is an example of everyday life is contrary to what we know.
In answer to your question AOG, no, it certainly does not pay to help, and neither should it. You help a stranger simply because you want to help a stranger, and that's all there is to it.
We all do it - two weeks ago I was outside a bar and witnessed a young white woman, very much 'worse for wear' about to jump into an unlicensed cab who was simply waiting outside touting for business.
A 'gang'of black teenagers told her to let it go, and wait under the awning. Then another waited (in the rain) until he could hail a cab.
Simple example of who we are.
However, as this is an everyday (ie. non newsworthy) occurance, it won't be picked up by any news outlet...
Allowing ourselves to think that extreme stories presented to us in the press is an example of everyday life is contrary to what we know.
Hang on - I've just clocked something...read the paragraphs after this:
She says, I glanced over and thought[i
Suddenly got a clearer picture of what might have happened.
She offered help, the woman said she was okay, but Cinammon thought it was the right occasion to give the couple the benefits of her feminist convictions.
If the couple weren't Muslim, you just [i]know] the story would've been spun thus:
"FEMINIST HARRIDAN FREED AFTER TESCO RUN IN WITH HARD-WORKING FAMILY"
She says, I glanced over and thought[i
Suddenly got a clearer picture of what might have happened.
She offered help, the woman said she was okay, but Cinammon thought it was the right occasion to give the couple the benefits of her feminist convictions.
If the couple weren't Muslim, you just [i]know] the story would've been spun thus:
"FEMINIST HARRIDAN FREED AFTER TESCO RUN IN WITH HARD-WORKING FAMILY"
naomi24
I kinda see it the same way. If you offer help someone in a checkout queue and it's refused, that's the end of the story. You go back to wondering how so many packets of HobNobs found their way into your basket, or browsing some trash magazine that you have not intention of buying.
Even though the fog of 'spin' - this woman to think it washer duty to 'right the wrongs' in a relationship she had no business in.
The man was looking after the two kids, whilst the woman was loading the shopping. Seems pretty sensible to me.
Oh, and the fact the woman was pregnant isn't even an issue. Pregnant women are able to load shopping quite easily - unless they happen to be buying an engine blocks for a Ford Focus.
I kinda see it the same way. If you offer help someone in a checkout queue and it's refused, that's the end of the story. You go back to wondering how so many packets of HobNobs found their way into your basket, or browsing some trash magazine that you have not intention of buying.
Even though the fog of 'spin' - this woman to think it washer duty to 'right the wrongs' in a relationship she had no business in.
The man was looking after the two kids, whilst the woman was loading the shopping. Seems pretty sensible to me.
Oh, and the fact the woman was pregnant isn't even an issue. Pregnant women are able to load shopping quite easily - unless they happen to be buying an engine blocks for a Ford Focus.
SP, I think AOG has his take on this rather skewed. He says //It is such cases as this that helps to breed racism.// but had the couple been English I suspect this idiot woman wouldn’t have felt it her bounden duty to lecture them. In fact, I wonder if she would have offered help at all. Can’t help thinking she had some sort of an agenda going on there.
Yes she offered to help but her offer was turned down, then instead of just leaving it as she should have done she made a comment about 'rights in this country'. If the man and wife had been white and the situation the same I can't imagine that the comment would have been made. I think the comment was made simply because the woman was obviously Muslim , a comment on the perceived view that Muslims consider women to be inferior with less 'rights'. I would take a heavy bet that the tone of the remark was condescending as well.
In my view it was racist as I do not think the remark would have been made if the man and wife were white but the entire thing went too far it should never have gone to court.
In my view it was racist as I do not think the remark would have been made if the man and wife were white but the entire thing went too far it should never have gone to court.
What a revealing question.
Why would anyone expect helping someone to result in a payment of some kind?
And I'm not clear why anyone should have their racist tendencies encouraged by this concocted story.
Opinionated busy-body gets into a row with a couple with young children at the supermarket. Both sides use harsh language and a bit of jostling and pregnant woman ends up on the floor.
Busy-body gets friend's lawyer from posh law firm to extricate her from the mess.
All rather trivial and misleading really.
What actually <helps to breed racism> is ignorance and dishonesty mixed with people's personal frustrations.
Why would anyone expect helping someone to result in a payment of some kind?
And I'm not clear why anyone should have their racist tendencies encouraged by this concocted story.
Opinionated busy-body gets into a row with a couple with young children at the supermarket. Both sides use harsh language and a bit of jostling and pregnant woman ends up on the floor.
Busy-body gets friend's lawyer from posh law firm to extricate her from the mess.
All rather trivial and misleading really.
What actually <helps to breed racism> is ignorance and dishonesty mixed with people's personal frustrations.
naomi24
/// She sounds like a big-headed twit to me. ///
/// but had the couple been English I suspect this idiot woman wouldn’t have felt it her bounden duty to lecture them. In fact, I wonder if she would have offered help at all. ///
A typical response if one has a particular view, and that is to make it more forceful by using derogative expletives such as "big-headed twit" and "idiot woman", all very well educated.
I cannot understand your point about if the couple had been English, this woman would have not tried to help the woman, surely some people will help others in need, no matter what nationality they are? Apart from that had she not had offered help she would have been accused by some of not offering help because they were 'foreign' looking.
This is most strange, and since she has been found not guilty, I wonder if the couple will now be investigated for assault?
/// Although, in fact, she says she was the victim of assault, her own accusations were dismissed while her accusers' claims were pursued by police.///
/// She sounds like a big-headed twit to me. ///
/// but had the couple been English I suspect this idiot woman wouldn’t have felt it her bounden duty to lecture them. In fact, I wonder if she would have offered help at all. ///
A typical response if one has a particular view, and that is to make it more forceful by using derogative expletives such as "big-headed twit" and "idiot woman", all very well educated.
I cannot understand your point about if the couple had been English, this woman would have not tried to help the woman, surely some people will help others in need, no matter what nationality they are? Apart from that had she not had offered help she would have been accused by some of not offering help because they were 'foreign' looking.
This is most strange, and since she has been found not guilty, I wonder if the couple will now be investigated for assault?
/// Although, in fact, she says she was the victim of assault, her own accusations were dismissed while her accusers' claims were pursued by police.///
Zeuhl
/// Busy-body gets friend's lawyer from posh law firm to extricate her from the mess. ///
So it would have been perfectly in order for her to have lost her case, against false accusations, had she had been just an ordinary women who didn't have a friend with a lawyer from a 'posh' law firm?
Amazing.
/// Busy-body gets friend's lawyer from posh law firm to extricate her from the mess. ///
So it would have been perfectly in order for her to have lost her case, against false accusations, had she had been just an ordinary women who didn't have a friend with a lawyer from a 'posh' law firm?
Amazing.
AOG you seem to be deliberately ignoring the fact that what started the row was the comment about 'women's rights' that is the entire point of the story , it is not about helping or not helping . That comment makes the lady's action 'racist' as it very unlikedly that it have been made if the man and wife were white British.
AOG, //A typical response if one has a particular view//
And what view would that be? Expletives are only derogatory when they aren’t accurate. In this case they are. You can hardly say this woman behaved sensibly – or perhaps you think she did?
And do please read my posts properly instead of jumping to conclusions. I didn’t say she wouldn’t have tried to help an English couple. I said I wondered if she would. The point is, she offered help and it was refused. If she were truly educated, she would have backed off graciously and that would have been the end of the story, but she didn't. She was not invited to inform her fellow shopper of her ‘rights’ – and her arrogant interference was not only unwelcome – it was rude in the extreme.
And what view would that be? Expletives are only derogatory when they aren’t accurate. In this case they are. You can hardly say this woman behaved sensibly – or perhaps you think she did?
And do please read my posts properly instead of jumping to conclusions. I didn’t say she wouldn’t have tried to help an English couple. I said I wondered if she would. The point is, she offered help and it was refused. If she were truly educated, she would have backed off graciously and that would have been the end of the story, but she didn't. She was not invited to inform her fellow shopper of her ‘rights’ – and her arrogant interference was not only unwelcome – it was rude in the extreme.
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