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Guardian 24,433 symmetry

turnerjmw | 19:50 Sat 05th Jul 2008 | Quizzes & Puzzles

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Would I be right in thinking that the first of the C clues, T and Z give the pointers to which of the two orientations to use? The previous answers indicate a different one to mine! Thanks in advance

radio Times No 28

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kayakamina

I slotted in Q & T in the top left hand corner and everything fell into place.

turnerjmw

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It's not the answers I'm concerned with. No difficulty there, but they can be filled in in two ways, as indicated in the preamble, one a reflection of the other in the NW-SE axis. In other words, TUBIFORM at 1d.

I think your way is the wrong one, for the reason I outlined at the start (directional indicators in clues). If you don't agree, perhaps you could give me an argument for your way. Thanks

hammersgirl

I am just glad to have finished it!
I can see now that the first 3 letters on the top and the last 3 on the bottom might be what aruacaria is getting at.

I too disagree with where Kayakamina said M went!

turnerjmw

Question Author

Many thanks for that, hammersgirl. I hadn't spotted the first three letters across. Much appreciated. It was a real test, but very enjoyable

kayakamina

I have in clue order

Across - Tubiform..Ideals...Onyx..Knifepoint....piddle...earthmen...
zymurgy...adenoma...broadish...hardcastle...late...sliced
narcotic
down
Quantity...jinx...yorkie...umpires...viverrid...xenophanes...flange..drugaddict...grimaldi...maintain...whiting...really...cherry..
loot

I would be grateful if either you or hammersgirl could put me right.

Thanks K

turnerjmw

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Agree all the answers, K. Just think you have to put them in in reflection. So Tubiform is 1d rather than 8ac, Quantity is 8ac rather than 1d, and so on. That makes more sense of the 'raised'and 'up' in T and Z, and also perhaps the 'row' in C (first clue). But to clinch it, the first three letters across then read T-O-P

kayakamina

Thanks for that. I was just pleased to be able to fit them all in first time round and hadn't noticed the TOP you have mentioned.

I won't pat myself on the back so quickly next time.

Thanks & regards K

turnerjmw

Question Author

Don't be daft! Easy to miss the significance of the preamble, especially if the answers drop in smoothly. And hammersgirl is to thank for the TOP. I wouldn't have seen it in a month of Sundays. Good luck

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