Thanks for your thoughts Perseverer. I'm never going to be a 100% solver! I started in 1993 and eventually got to about 30 or so correct a year. However in 2007 I had a stroke which did not effect my ability to solve the Listener but did leave me with less of an obsession with it. As a result I only look at it occasionally now which, of course, means that I find it harder without the practice. I won a bottle of champagne in 2006, so I might be due another win. Andrew