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The pope was found out 4 yers ago so why hasnt he quit yet?
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Crimen Sollicitationis was enforced for 20 years by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger before he became the Pope.
It instructs bishops on how to deal with allegations of child abuse against priests and has been seen by few outsiders.
Critics say the document has been used to evade prosecution for sex crimes.
Crimen Sollicitationis was written in 1962 in Latin and given to Catholic bishops worldwide who are ordered to keep it locked away in the church safe.
It instructs them how to deal with priests who solicit sex from the confessional. It also deals with "any obscene external act ... with youths of either sex."
It imposes an oath of secrecy on the child victim, the priest dealing with the allegation and any witnesses.
Breaking that oath means excommunication from the Catholic Church.
http://news.bbc.co.uk.../panorama/5389684.stm
check bbc iplayer to see if you can see the episode of panorama from october 2006.
ratzinger knew and covered it up.
the evidence is out there.
http://news.bbc.co.uk.../panorama/5402928.stm
Why is this degneerate ex hitler youth nazi sympathiser and the man who for 20 years helped coverup sex abuse by priests , how come hes still in the job?
surely if theres such a thing as divine intervention then he will be shot by an asssasin ?
It instructs bishops on how to deal with allegations of child abuse against priests and has been seen by few outsiders.
Critics say the document has been used to evade prosecution for sex crimes.
Crimen Sollicitationis was written in 1962 in Latin and given to Catholic bishops worldwide who are ordered to keep it locked away in the church safe.
It instructs them how to deal with priests who solicit sex from the confessional. It also deals with "any obscene external act ... with youths of either sex."
It imposes an oath of secrecy on the child victim, the priest dealing with the allegation and any witnesses.
Breaking that oath means excommunication from the Catholic Church.
http://news.bbc.co.uk.../panorama/5389684.stm
check bbc iplayer to see if you can see the episode of panorama from october 2006.
ratzinger knew and covered it up.
the evidence is out there.
http://news.bbc.co.uk.../panorama/5402928.stm
Why is this degneerate ex hitler youth nazi sympathiser and the man who for 20 years helped coverup sex abuse by priests , how come hes still in the job?
surely if theres such a thing as divine intervention then he will be shot by an asssasin ?
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I've never heard him talk about it, I have read about that era quite extensively and there was a degree of compulsion in such matters, especially at the end. There was a film called "The Bridge" made in the 1950s about it (I havent seen it) the first part of your question is pertinent, the rest I view as irrelevant and nonsencical.
Its my opinion.
Your opinion is that its nonsensical.
But as you aren't an expert then you have no greater authority than me.
Unlike you i wont resort to cheap digs and insults.
This is a serious subject and i think you really should be ashamed.
Don't make a mockery of the subject or of my opinions , because i haven't mocked you or yours.
Manners cost nothing but are obviously not consider worthy of use by some here.
Thank you.
Your opinion is that its nonsensical.
But as you aren't an expert then you have no greater authority than me.
Unlike you i wont resort to cheap digs and insults.
This is a serious subject and i think you really should be ashamed.
Don't make a mockery of the subject or of my opinions , because i haven't mocked you or yours.
Manners cost nothing but are obviously not consider worthy of use by some here.
Thank you.
Everton's right. This from Wikipedia:
Following his 14th birthday in 1941, Ratzinger was conscripted into the Hitler Youth, per German law at the time but was an unenthusiastic member and refused to attend meetings (His father was a bitter enemy of Nazism, believing it conflicted with the Catholic faith. In 1941, one of Ratzinger's cousins, a 14-year-old boy with Down syndrome, was taken away by the Nazi regime and killed during the Aktion T4 campaign of Nazi eugenics.
There are many things to reproach Benedict for but accusing him of being a Nazi when he was a kid just distracts attention from the really important ones, the things he did as an adult.
Following his 14th birthday in 1941, Ratzinger was conscripted into the Hitler Youth, per German law at the time but was an unenthusiastic member and refused to attend meetings (His father was a bitter enemy of Nazism, believing it conflicted with the Catholic faith. In 1941, one of Ratzinger's cousins, a 14-year-old boy with Down syndrome, was taken away by the Nazi regime and killed during the Aktion T4 campaign of Nazi eugenics.
There are many things to reproach Benedict for but accusing him of being a Nazi when he was a kid just distracts attention from the really important ones, the things he did as an adult.
Not from wikidpedia but refers to his books which im sure are still available .
Ratzinger joined the Nazi Youth in 1941 at the age of 14. Although it's been widely reported that he was forced to join, in his book, Memoires, he doesn't mention being forced or of any resistance at all. In his autobiography, Salt of the Earth (1997), he wrote that his older brother Georg was obliged to join, but that he later registered himself in it. His brother Georg however, told The Times of London recently, that their "father was a bitter enemy of the Nazis". With the exception of listening to foreign news radio, his family did not make any passive resistance, as many other German families had in his area, by not enlisting their children in the Nazi Youth, or hiding fugitives from the Nazis.
Family Anti-Nazi
ratzinger had an grand-uncle Georg Ratzinger, who was a Catholic priest and also a member of the Reichstag (parliament), wrote many anti-Semitic pamphlets. Some critics have also pointed out that there were many Catholic families in his town that resisted, and that his father, who had been a policeman, would have been very much aware. In his second autobiography Milestones: Memoirs, 1927-77 (1998), he writes that his father was very vocal in public against the Nazis. In his earlier book though Salt of the Earth, he seems to contradict this, stating that his father "made no public opposition" to the Nazis, and further that it "wouldn't have been possible".
Ratzinger joined the Nazi Youth in 1941 at the age of 14. Although it's been widely reported that he was forced to join, in his book, Memoires, he doesn't mention being forced or of any resistance at all. In his autobiography, Salt of the Earth (1997), he wrote that his older brother Georg was obliged to join, but that he later registered himself in it. His brother Georg however, told The Times of London recently, that their "father was a bitter enemy of the Nazis". With the exception of listening to foreign news radio, his family did not make any passive resistance, as many other German families had in his area, by not enlisting their children in the Nazi Youth, or hiding fugitives from the Nazis.
Family Anti-Nazi
ratzinger had an grand-uncle Georg Ratzinger, who was a Catholic priest and also a member of the Reichstag (parliament), wrote many anti-Semitic pamphlets. Some critics have also pointed out that there were many Catholic families in his town that resisted, and that his father, who had been a policeman, would have been very much aware. In his second autobiography Milestones: Memoirs, 1927-77 (1998), he writes that his father was very vocal in public against the Nazis. In his earlier book though Salt of the Earth, he seems to contradict this, stating that his father "made no public opposition" to the Nazis, and further that it "wouldn't have been possible".
Regarding Pedophile Priests
As Prefect of the Doctrine of Faith, Ratzinger was responsible for investigating the cases of priest sexual abuse. He has often been criticised with trying to cover up the allegations. In Dec 2002, Ratzinger told a news conference that he believes the American media were exagerating the abuse reports, stating that "less than one percent of priests are guilty of acts of this type."
According to an article in the British Observer, Ratzinger wrote a letter dated 18 May 2001, to every Catholic bishop, informing them of the church's policy towards priest sexual abuse. In the letter he gave strict orders to the bishops that any priest sexual abuse case they received, were to be handled internally, and that any evidence which could incriminate a priest with the local ordinances, are to be kept confidential for up to 10 years. The letter adds that in the case of a pedophile act, the 10 years doesn't begin until after the victim reaches 18. The letter concludes with a reminder than any breach of this order could result in penalties, including possible excommunication.
As Prefect of the Doctrine of Faith, Ratzinger was responsible for investigating the cases of priest sexual abuse. He has often been criticised with trying to cover up the allegations. In Dec 2002, Ratzinger told a news conference that he believes the American media were exagerating the abuse reports, stating that "less than one percent of priests are guilty of acts of this type."
According to an article in the British Observer, Ratzinger wrote a letter dated 18 May 2001, to every Catholic bishop, informing them of the church's policy towards priest sexual abuse. In the letter he gave strict orders to the bishops that any priest sexual abuse case they received, were to be handled internally, and that any evidence which could incriminate a priest with the local ordinances, are to be kept confidential for up to 10 years. The letter adds that in the case of a pedophile act, the 10 years doesn't begin until after the victim reaches 18. The letter concludes with a reminder than any breach of this order could result in penalties, including possible excommunication.
x ray
why are you so touchy?
none of the posts here are 'cheap digs and insults'.
They have agreed with your condemnation over child abuse over ups but think your nazi accusations are 'irrelevant and nonsensical' and therefore a distraction from the serious stuff.
So count to 10 and ease up on the hissy fits. They just turn what could be an interesting exchange of views into a silly squabble.
why are you so touchy?
none of the posts here are 'cheap digs and insults'.
They have agreed with your condemnation over child abuse over ups but think your nazi accusations are 'irrelevant and nonsensical' and therefore a distraction from the serious stuff.
So count to 10 and ease up on the hissy fits. They just turn what could be an interesting exchange of views into a silly squabble.
In Dec 2002, Ratzinger told a news conference that he believes the American media were exagerating the abuse reports, stating that "less than one percent of priests are guilty of acts of this type."
But then later.
In response to the widening scandal, Pope John Paul II declared in 2003 that "there is no place in the priesthood and religious life for those who would harm the young".With the approval of the Vatican, the hierarchy of the church in the United States instituted reforms to prevent future abuse including requiring background checks for Church employees and volunteers and, noting the preponderance of adolescent males (teenage boys) amongst victims of abuse, warned that a more searching inquiry is necessary for a homosexually oriented man; and the worldwide Church also prohibited the ordination of men with "deep-seated homosexual tendencies".
So he basically blames homosexuals and not paedophiles? Nice eh?
But then later.
In response to the widening scandal, Pope John Paul II declared in 2003 that "there is no place in the priesthood and religious life for those who would harm the young".With the approval of the Vatican, the hierarchy of the church in the United States instituted reforms to prevent future abuse including requiring background checks for Church employees and volunteers and, noting the preponderance of adolescent males (teenage boys) amongst victims of abuse, warned that a more searching inquiry is necessary for a homosexually oriented man; and the worldwide Church also prohibited the ordination of men with "deep-seated homosexual tendencies".
So he basically blames homosexuals and not paedophiles? Nice eh?
Zeuhl everton was being a pompous ass. Jno did you miss the bot where ratzinger said in his book that he joined voluntarily?
Or did you skip that bit?
Going on what hes said and done the man has a track record for covering up paedophilia and protecting paedophile priests. Sorry if calling him a nazi offends you.
But he has ordered the coverup of paedophilia and for that he should resign.
Or did you skip that bit?
Going on what hes said and done the man has a track record for covering up paedophilia and protecting paedophile priests. Sorry if calling him a nazi offends you.
But he has ordered the coverup of paedophilia and for that he should resign.
interesting x ray ...
please enlighten us with which part precisely of everton's first two posts were pompous?
and which parts precisely of everton's first two posts were 'mocking the subject or your opinions'?
I don't know why you think anyone would be offended by the accusation that the pope was a nazi.
Posters have just queried its validity or relevance compared with the seriousness of the undoubted abuse cover ups.
please enlighten us with which part precisely of everton's first two posts were pompous?
and which parts precisely of everton's first two posts were 'mocking the subject or your opinions'?
I don't know why you think anyone would be offended by the accusation that the pope was a nazi.
Posters have just queried its validity or relevance compared with the seriousness of the undoubted abuse cover ups.
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