Further to bye, bye Britain

[anotheoldgit]

This question attracted very much interest when posted earlier.

It has now been reported that a millionaire is to fund legal services on behalf of the Grandparent.

Peter Hitchins sums the whole matter up regarding how we are now expected to accept homosexuality, regardless of one's personal feelings.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1133 033/PETER-HITCHENS-We-tolerance-gays-tyranny-r eturn.html

[flip_flop]

sp - yep, it absolutely is based on guess work, and notwithstanding the usual perniciousness with which the Daily Moan generally reports stories, let's, for the sake of the argument, assume the story is as reported.

If it is, then there are questions that need answering.

[fredpuli47]

OG your lates post here makes perfect sense. What i'm not getting is why two homosexual partners must, or are more likely to, include a paedophile any more than a married heterosexual partners would .Sadly, as we all must know by now, comvicted paedophiles are often heterosexuals who are married, as are many of those who are convicted of downloading child porn.

I suspect that the idea that homosexuals are paedophiles comes about because of the homosexual choir master, scout master, element. For many years, decades, these people have made headlines (and justly got heavy sentences) because they are in a position of trust, and their activities a matter of very serious public interest, in consequence.Put that with the fact that the law regarded any homosexual activity as illegal, and the public, presumably, regarded it as especially repugnant and you have an extra reason for the big headlines.

[naomi24]

That isn't what you said. The fact is paedophile equals paedophile, whatever the sexual persuasion, which means that homosexuals are no more likely to be paedophiles than heterosexuals.

[naomi24]

Sorry, I should have said my last post was addressed to AOG.

[frodsham]

I think that to refuse the grandparents the chance to adopt there own grandkids because they, the grandparents, are classed as too old and/or have a disablity, is definitely a case for the courts. If an ordinary employer refused to employ someone because of these issues , they would close the place down! Also haven't they already proven there capability in looking after the grandchidren. I wonder if the grandparents had been gay or asian the same outcome would have resulted.

[123everton]

Mani made no mention of paedophilia in his post, he said he would'nt rust them to be alone with a child, that could mean a lot of things such as their being irresponsible.
If I were Mani I'd be slightly offended (as much as is possible on AB) at the notion that I am friendly with paedophiles.

[naomi24]

Everton, sexual orientation wouldn't be an issue if Mani thought his friends were simply irresponsible. In actual fact, we've had this conversation with him several times before, but maybe you weren't around in those days. Incidentally, he also thinks that homosexuality is a curable illness.

[fredpuli47]

Mani thinks that homosexuality is a curable illness? What's it cured by? Homoeopathy?

[naomi24]

Mani, I remember you telling me that before, but seriously, if your friend was cured of what you call a 'same sex attraction disorder', I would have thought that rather than being genuinely homosexual, he was suffering some sort of psychological confusion. Homosexuality is not an illness, and therefore it cannot be 'cured'.

[naomi24]

Actually, Fred, that was quite good - and my apologies for the delay in saying it. :o)

[fredpuli47]

That's what we like to hear, Mani. Driving out devils ! Hasn't been done in ages ! Of course, your friend could be bisexual and not 'cured' , as you might say, by exorcising demons.

He wouldn't be the first married, or female partnered, homosexual either, whatever you may think. There have been many, throughout history.Some had relationships with lesbian women,perhaps, but a great many were, so far as can be told, married to 'straight' women. A goodly number sired children. Even today, in Britain, there are those who are constrained by their faith, their community, fears for their public image or other factors,including, of course simple privacy, to keep their homosexual feelings private. Some other people would never understand them, they themselves may feel guilty, or fearful of the ignorant opinions of others [why, if they read posts on this site?], we can't guess what the reasons of an individual are in such matters.

And they can't be 'cured', though it's understandable, given the above, that some might want to be.

[fredpuli47]

Thank you naomi. I'd best not claim that homoeopathy doesn't cure anything , save that it has a placebo effect. Don't want to be controversial! Best stick to what is scientifically known and proven. LOL

[ghetto poet]

lets hopr these homos remain constrained and afraid eh. mani i dont agree with your methods but anyone who can stop mens sleeping together gets respect from me. well done.

[anotheoldgit]

naomi24

which means that homosexuals are no more likely to be paedophiles than heterosexuals.

No perhaps not, but they are when it comes to male children.

You are trying to twist my words.

Homosexual men have a sexual preference towards the male of the species, therefore they are more likely to be a paedophile where boy's are concerned than a heterosexual male.

[sp1814]

Mani

same sex attraction disorder

That's a brand new one. I wish your friend all the best, I really do...but here's the thing - you can't 'cure' homosexuality.

If you sit Martin down in an empty room with a copy of Playboy and the latest Abercrombie & Fitch catalogue, even after his 'curing' which mag do you think he'll be flicking through.

There's a shame that many young gay men and women go through which used to a higher-than-average rate of suicides. These demons can be cured by coming out to a loving and supportive family and friends, or nailing yourself in a closet and pretending you're straight.

I hope the choice he's made works for him. I've heard of too many sad gay men and women in their fifties looking back on their lives and realising that they've not been honest with themselves and missed out.

[sp1814]

Mani

I've just thought of something.

How can you tell the difference between someone who's gay, and someone who's suffering from same sex attraction disorder.

Aren't the chances of misdiagnosis quite great?

[sp1814]

AOG

which means that homosexuals are no more likely to be paedophiles than heterosexuals.

No perhaps not, but they are when it comes to male children.

Really.

Want to furnish us with some numbers to back this one up?

From what I see in the news, it's straight men who are constantly kidnapping girls, raping and then killing them.

Tell you what - can you think of the last paedophile case where the attacker and victim were both male?

Don't you think there's a good argument to suggest with the evidence we have to hand, that kids are far safer in the hands of gay men, than straight men...

...you know...just based on the fact that straight men are forever raping little girls?

[naomi24]

AOG, I have no reason to twist anyone�s words. Of course if a male homosexual is a paedophile, then he will be attracted to boys, in the same way that a male heterosexual paedophile will be attracted to girls, but that doesn�t mean that one is more likely to be a paedophile than the other. People are just people, whatever their sexual orientation. Whether homosexual or heterosexual, male or female, the vast majority of people want an adult partner and a stable, loving relationship, and they�re all just as disgusted as you and I by paedophilia in any shape or form - and there are gay people on AB - some of them parents - who would be more than happy to confirm that.