Victorious Registrar

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Opinions.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2280484 /Christian-registrar-who-refused-to-conduct-ga y-weddings-wins-case.html

[R1Geezer]

good on her for standing up against these lefty bullies. I'm not personally religious but I can thourough understand why these "weddings" are abhorrent.

[Gromit]

It is like a Jehovah's Witness getting a job as a barmaid and them refusing to serve alcohol.

If she could no longer do the job, she should have got a different one.

[Whoever]

I don't agree with Gromit. When the person in question first took the job, civil partnerships between gays and lesbians didn't even exist so it wasn't a question or whether or not she should have taken the job. Personally I salute her courage in standing up for what she believed in and I certainly don't think she should have been penalised. Surely there are other registrars who don't have religious of personal conscientious objections to can perform such ceremonies?

[R1Geezer]

b0llux gromit what a kn0b you are. The rules have recently been changed toi allow devients to "marry". She did not sign up for that!

[BertiWooster]

'' It also noted that the council had admitted they could provide a "first class service" without Miss Ladele carrying out civil partnership ceremonies and that she had a good work record when dealing with gay men and women.''

Why did the council allow this case to proceed - given the above - haven't these people got any common sense ?

Gromit - the others have beaten me in responding to your ill thought out response

[Gromit]

Jobs change all the time.

If at some stage you no longer have the ability or inclination to do a job, it is in everyones interest that you go and do something else.

This would have been relatively easy in this case, as local authorities have lots of different jobs.

[R1Geezer]

what is your profession Gromit? Perhaps I can factor in something relavant for you.

[sandmaster]

I'm with the regsitrar. She has her beliefs and should not be forced to act against them. Many of us believe homosexuality is wrong and legislation will not alter that.

[Gromit]

I am a graphic designer.

When I started it was all pen and paper and glue and metal typesetting.

Then my job totally changed when all of that could be done on a computer (my profession was one of the first to go digital).

I had a choice, I could either have said "Sorry, I don't do computers" (and I would now be out of a job) or I had to change with the job and adapt.

If the nature of this woman's job changed so that it clashed with her religious beliefs, then she should have asked to do duties she could still do, or find something that fitted in with her beliefs.

Would you be defending a muslim checkout girl who refused to sell pork or alcohol? I suspect in that case, you would be of the opinion that if she didn't like it she should f*ck off.

[keyplus90]

I can not understand. Why they have to marry any way? Civilisation it is called, man marrying a man.

[R1Geezer]

Not the same thing, when applying for the job the muslim would have known it's supermarket and they sell booze and pork.

Ok so you are a graphic designer the essence of your job is the same your tools have changed. Not the same as the woman in question. She was a registrar of births, deaths and marrages of normal people. When they added the requirement that she has to join in with the whole "gay is normal" thing she objected and the court clearly agreed.

It's like saying that your graphic designing duties now include brick laying when necessary, you'd be the first to spit the dummy out I'd wager.

[ludwig]

Gromit - "If the nature of this woman's job changed so that it clashed with her religious beliefs, then she should have asked to do duties she could still do, or find something that fitted in with her beliefs. "

She did, she asked not to do gay weddings.

[Gromit]

Does this set a precedent then? Can other christian public servants refuse to do their jobs if their religious views are anti homosexual?

Would it be acceptable for a fireman to refuse to put out someones house that was on fire because he objected to same sex couples living together?

[R1Geezer]

Oh dear gromit, stop digging!

[BertiWooster]

Gromit

You just dont get it - do you .

Pulling somebody out of a house , which is on fire is not against the christian belief , whatever their orientation .

Further , as the article states , she has a good work record in working with gay men and women

[WaldoMcFroog]

Absolutely. It sets a dangerous precedent in allowing the religious views to trump the human rights of other people, or to put it another way, it means none of you lot who like to bang on about Muslims have any right to complain when one of them cites their religious views as justification.

[andy-hughes]

Gromit - your arguments simply do not stand up to any kind of analysis.

The simple fact is, a legal change meant that this lady was being asked to perform tasks as part of her job which conflict with her beliefs. You cannot possibly compare that with a firefighter putting out - or not - a fire in premises belonging to a same-sex couple, the argument is simply not there.

I personally believe that people's personal freedoms are vitally important, and applaud the notion of civil partnerships, not because it is a parody of marriage, as so many detractors seem to view it, but because it allows committed couples the same legal rights in terms of disposal of estate after death that is accorded to heterosexual couples - and that was the driving force behind the legislation in the first place.

But freedom should be for everybody, and wheras I am not a Christian, and have no issue with same sex ceremonies, I must support this lady's right to object, and to fight the discrimination she encountered.

From the news reports, it appears that the Council allowed exactly the sort of bullyng and harassment that it claims to abhor in the case of discrimination against homosexuals, theyr level of double standards is positively breathtaking.

No-one should be bullied or threatened because of lifestyle choices - and that rule is there for everyone, and this is a victory for that perspective.

[DrFilth]

do Muslims have gay weddings ?

[Ethel]

I am glad she won her case and admire her for her courage of conviction.

But one thing puzzzles me - as a committed Christian she should find ALL registrar marriages at odds with her faith.

And does she object to marrying divorcees?

[Ethel]

DrFilth - for any marriage of any religion to be legally recognised in the UK certain legalities have to be performed.

There is no reason whatsoever why gay Muslims should not have a civil wedding.

It may not be recognised by the Muslim community as a wedding, but it would be legal.