Squeezing The Last Drop?

[douglas9401]

Is this really neccessary, an admin teenager tried nearly eighty years on?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64036465

[youngmafbog]

Yes.

Evil must always be punished.

[andy-hughes]

Yes.

Otherwise someone has to calculate an age beyond which crime doesn't matter.

If you are alive, you can be brought to justice.

[youngmafbog]

There must always be a line though AH. For instance prosecuting someone who stole a 1d chew 60 years ago would not be in the public interest.

[anneasquith]

Ask the Jewish community what if anything ,it would achieve ?

[tiggerblue10]

Justice for the families too.

[The Builder]

Quite ridiculous Dougie, but then we do seem to like a good witch-hunt these days.

It makes me think of Traudl Junge, Hitler's last private secretary.
Imprisoned post-war and badly treated, but eventually allowed to live in the old West Germany.
She went on to make a couple of documentaries for ITV, and get on with the rest of her life.
And, honestly... why not?

[Bazile]

Yes - she knew what was going on .

But then I suspect she had no influence over what was going on .

[douglas9401]

Revenge is a dish best served old.

[The Builder]

Aye Dougie.... I may be a pharty liberal, but I think (hope) that we're better than that.

[douglas9401]

That's just the sprouts kicking in, The Builder, it should soon settle.

[fitdarren]

My opinion? Leave her alone.

[youngmafbog]

No one is asking for her to be strung up, although she clearly didnt care about the victims lives, but being complicit in 10500 murders cannot go unanswered.

More closure for families and disgrace for her. She can die knowing everyone knows about her and what she was capable of.

[andy-hughes]

Saying 'It was a long time ago ...' or 'She had no influence...' is not the point.

You can't start examining each case on its 'merits' because no system of justice can operate effectively under such a system.

That means we hold no-one responsible, which is no system at all, or we hold everyone responsible, so excuses, then everyone has the same system of justice.

That is why this woman was brought to trial, and convicted.

Everyone equal, no exceptions.

That is the way justice works, because it's the only way it works.

[naomi24]

As a teenager, did she have a choice of whether to work for the Nazis or not? I would say not.

[Peter Pedant]

Yes. Otherwise someone can calculate an age beyond which crime doesn't matter.
If you are alive, you can be brought to justice.

O god I will choose this one to ridicule and refute. because of the statute of Limitations - version 0? 1604 I think. 400 y ago give or take a drink or two, they time limited cases,
except....
Murder ( at common law: but remember there is a limitation - you had to die within a year and a day from the injury)
and historically - Sex abuse ( under the 'new' 2003 act)(*)

and Furchner was convicted of aiding or abetting ( and or complicity)

complicity isnt really a word used in English Criminal Law.
And so you can now see reader, the answer : " Yes.Evil must always be punished." is only true if you tack on: within the current Statute of Limitations.

(*) and of course the 1994 War Crimes Act - which allowed war crimes elsewhere to be indicted tried here. Loud squawking from their lordships ( the Law Lords silly!) as it criminalised activities ( war crimes on foreign soil) which had not previously been a crime.
( what you did in 1943 was OK but now it isnt).

AND

You can't start examining each case on its 'merits' because no system of justice.....

o god this statement is so dumbhead I should ask a mod to delete it. Oh. It was written by a mod. That is why it is still here.
Each case is of course tried on its merits - it is a called a C-O-U-R-T C-A-S-E, and a jury makes a verdict. And yes bringing a case it judged on its merits, this is called a 'charging decision' by the CPS

You can't start examining each case on its 'merits' can be refuted by: each case is judged on its 'merits' in at least two points ( charging and jury trial).
In this case they cd reasonably have found that it was not in the public interest to continue

phew - English Law only

[Peter Pedant]

eighty years on
it is very difficult to decide what was going on
65 000 dead is very low, and initially the SS were getting rid of the Polish intelligentsia. Remember that 25% of Poland end up dead by 1945.

Polish POW, civilian Interns, usually they werent mixed and matched. Subcamp at Thorn ( torun) where my father as and he was deffo a British POW - and THEY werent mixed and matched ( until the chaos of early 1945)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stutthof_concentration_camp

[ZebuSanctuary]

Albeit a suspended sentence, it will severely affect her employment opportunities.

[lady-janine]

Closure. Relief for so many.

I used to lunch with an elderly Jewish lady (not really that old but worn) and she was guilt ridden for having survived a camp when so many - including her family had not. She is dead for a while now but this would have meant so much to her.

Also to other people I can think of.

[lady-janine]

Zebu - not funny.

[Zacs-Master]

I was going to post the same question earlier but, quite frankly, I'm not in the mood for the 'flack'.

My views tie in with The Builder's and others who've said that she probably had zero choice in what she did if she wanted to live and I think that, for me, is the watershed for guilt.