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Lia Thomas - Again. Are Sports Bodies Tying Themselves In Knots In Not Wanting To Offend The Tg Minority?
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NCAA Ranking as a man - 554th.
NCAA Ranking as a 'woman' - 1st.
'She' beat Emma Weyant, a silver medalist in Tokyo, by 1.75 seconds, and if the report I read at the weekend is true, 'she' appeared to be holding-back, presumably to avoid the gap being even greater as it would make the absurdity of the situation even more absurd.
The gold in Tokyo was won by 0.68 seconds ahead of Weyant, so if Thomas had gone to the Olympics, 'she' would most likely be the Olympic champion.
Lia Thomas is taking the place of a proper woman.
Sharon Davis has commented:
"She has greater upper-body strength and significantly more muscle mass than a woman of the same weight and height. She has a greater lung capacity, better VO2 uptake, different bone density, she is nearly 6ft 4in tall and has large hands and feet that act like paddles."
And a teammate has commented:
"...that they feel ‘awkward’ sharing a locker room with her because ‘Lia still has male body parts [by which I take they mean a penis] and is still attracted to women".
Why are sporting bodies allowing this absurdity to continue at the expense of women athletes?
NCAA Ranking as a man - 554th.
NCAA Ranking as a 'woman' - 1st.
'She' beat Emma Weyant, a silver medalist in Tokyo, by 1.75 seconds, and if the report I read at the weekend is true, 'she' appeared to be holding-back, presumably to avoid the gap being even greater as it would make the absurdity of the situation even more absurd.
The gold in Tokyo was won by 0.68 seconds ahead of Weyant, so if Thomas had gone to the Olympics, 'she' would most likely be the Olympic champion.
Lia Thomas is taking the place of a proper woman.
Sharon Davis has commented:
"She has greater upper-body strength and significantly more muscle mass than a woman of the same weight and height. She has a greater lung capacity, better VO2 uptake, different bone density, she is nearly 6ft 4in tall and has large hands and feet that act like paddles."
And a teammate has commented:
"...that they feel ‘awkward’ sharing a locker room with her because ‘Lia still has male body parts [by which I take they mean a penis] and is still attracted to women".
Why are sporting bodies allowing this absurdity to continue at the expense of women athletes?
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I do not even know where to start with this. Naomi is doing brilliantly at stating that women are women (I am one myself)- that this can possibly be considered controversia
22:33 Wed 23rd Mar 2022
mozz: "Why do you think an extra couple of classifications would cause problems? " - well a couple of things, first of all you'll end up with a Liberal luvvie howl like a werewolf for insinuating that "trans" people are "disabled" but more importantly what about the limbless men dressing up as women? Should they have a separate category? etc etc ad infinitum, head down this path and there'll be a gazillion categories. The original configuration is best, Y chromosome = Geezer, end of.
To expand on that, earlier it was argued that the women athletes should refuse to compete against Lia because to do so would effectively endorse her role in the competition. This would certainly be an effective form of protest, but the point is that several athletes, including at least a couple of those on the podium, in the so-called "protest", are not just implicitly but also explicitly endorsing Lia's continued participation:
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It's true that there are those who protest Lia's presence in the sport, and I have no wish to minimise this, but likewise we should be careful not to assume that it's Lia alone, supported by moronic sports leaders, against the entire rest of the field who want Lia out. Likewise, it's important to note that Lia Thomas has also been soundly beaten in at least a few recent events; it's not as if they've won everything, all the time, to the point of rendering all events with Lia involved meaningless. For example, two days ago in the 100-yard freestyle, Thomas came 8th: https:/
There's a debate to be had, a sincere debate, about the presence of and regulations surrounding trans athletes in sport. But that debate can't take place if critics of athletes like Thomas distort the truth and ignore the support she gets from those who apparently she's deprived of success.
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It's true that there are those who protest Lia's presence in the sport, and I have no wish to minimise this, but likewise we should be careful not to assume that it's Lia alone, supported by moronic sports leaders, against the entire rest of the field who want Lia out. Likewise, it's important to note that Lia Thomas has also been soundly beaten in at least a few recent events; it's not as if they've won everything, all the time, to the point of rendering all events with Lia involved meaningless. For example, two days ago in the 100-yard freestyle, Thomas came 8th: https:/
There's a debate to be had, a sincere debate, about the presence of and regulations surrounding trans athletes in sport. But that debate can't take place if critics of athletes like Thomas distort the truth and ignore the support she gets from those who apparently she's deprived of success.
Perhaps. But then, are you really purporting to support women's athletics if you conveniently ignore all those who argue that it's not under threat from Lia Thomas, or those like her? Or is this, as Brooke Forde's father put it, primarily coming from those who " really don't give a damn about women's sports", and are just "using [Thomas] as a political wedge"?
It's clearly relevant to the story, to the understanding of the debate, to remember that many of those athletes that Thomas competes against are perfectly fine with it. They don't see their livelihoods under threat. In effect, it seems that you're getting offended on their behalf and even against their express wishes.
Not that women uncomfortable with competing against Lia Thomas should be ignored either. A key principle of sporting competition is that the field should be seen as "fair", and this should ideally be "fair" to as objective a standard as possible; but it should also be, as far as possible, inclusive. I'm not sure we've found what the correct balance is yet.
It's clearly relevant to the story, to the understanding of the debate, to remember that many of those athletes that Thomas competes against are perfectly fine with it. They don't see their livelihoods under threat. In effect, it seems that you're getting offended on their behalf and even against their express wishes.
Not that women uncomfortable with competing against Lia Thomas should be ignored either. A key principle of sporting competition is that the field should be seen as "fair", and this should ideally be "fair" to as objective a standard as possible; but it should also be, as far as possible, inclusive. I'm not sure we've found what the correct balance is yet.
mozz: "Just out of interest, would you refer to a person who transitioned from a woman to a man as "she", or is it only the other way round that gets you riled up? " - you cannot change sex they are a he if they have a Y chromosome otherwise they are a she. No amount of spare partery and dressing up can change that. I don't know why so many seem to find that so difficult to grasp.
//Likewise, it's important to note that Lia Thomas has also been soundly beaten in at least a few recent events;//
You seem to be suggesting, Jim, that it's OK for men to participate in women's sport provided they are not too competitive. The problem with that is that if you open the door to men who are not too competitive, you also do so for those who are. The competitiveness (or otherwise) of the participants should not be a consideration.
You seem to be suggesting, Jim, that it's OK for men to participate in women's sport provided they are not too competitive. The problem with that is that if you open the door to men who are not too competitive, you also do so for those who are. The competitiveness (or otherwise) of the participants should not be a consideration.
This isn't right - when it comes to professional sports, even with testosterone inhibitors and/or HRT courses, she'd be weaker than her male counterparts but *much* stronger than her female team-mates.
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