Uk Covid Response - As Seen By Greece.

[diddlydo]

Please take a look and think that Boris and Co are still great:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/06/ve-day-heroes-patriotic-multicultural-britain
I hope the link takes you to the article re Greece as the headline is somewhat misleading!

[jim360]

большое спасибо, ff.

Oh what a giveaway!

[naomi24]

Ours must be the only country in the world whose inhabitants - or at least some of them - make every effort to undermine their homeland at every opportunity. I can’t think of another.

[iluvmargie]

^ It's mind boggling. I love my country.

[jim360]

And there I was thinking that you were going to comment on the clear and obvious lies that I might be a Chinese/Russian plant. No comment on those, Naomi?

I have posted nothing here that is anti-British. I've merely reported facts and statistics, as best as they are available, relating to Greece, Russia, and other countries. Only those whose definition of patriotism is that our country must be demonstrably superior to others can view that as anti-British.

[webbo3]

two things will decide the spread of coronavirus.

1. How dense the population is.
2.How dense the population is.

[naomi24]

I read what you write, that's all.

[jim360]

As a further point, the question of which country's figures are worse is entirely separate from the question of *why* they are so bad. Did the UK make entirely preventable mistakes or not? I don't know, or claim to know, the answer to that. But I do claim that there is no doubt that, as it stands, the effect of CoronaVirus has been more severe here than in most other countries. Officially our death toll is the second highest -- clearly this is subject to change once total mortality figures become available. Officially, our total number of cases is third highest -- this will change on Tuesday when Russia overtakes us, and of course unknown cases will affect the "true" comparison. Officially, our death rate is fourth highest among major countries, subject again to the fact that death counts are difficult to compare precisely, and we will need to wait, as before, to see what all-cause mortality figures tell us as they become available.

[jim360]

Well, then read what I write here: I'm not anti-British and it's a disgusting slur that you shouldn't even remotely associate yourself with. Ditto the suggestion that I'm some sort of Russian/Chinese plant. For someone so keen to defend people from outrageous lies you've been curiously silent on that point.

[naomi24]

Or do we just use a different method of counting fatalities? Perhaps those places recording low death rates count only deaths that can be attributed solely to the virus and not to any other contributing factor. It’s a possibility.

[webbo3]

Thats what Germany does naomi.

[jim360]

Indeed. A possibility I acknowledged on the last page, and have acknowledged several times elsewhere.

Comparisons are difficult, but not impossible. I would certainly agree that anybody suggesting that the UK's response is "the worst in Europe" would be mistaken. In six months' time we may or may not be able to say that with confidence. But we can only go on what we know *now*. The UK has certainly suffered severely from this virus, both directly and indirectly.

[naomi24]

Jim at 18:01, my post at 17.46 wasn’t addressed to anyone in particular. It was a general observation - initially with diddly in mind - one of the main offenders. Why you automatically assume that everything here revolves around you and that other members cling to your every word is anyone’s guess - but that said, if the cap fits please be my guest.

Webbo, I suspect a lot of countries do exactly that.

[jim360]

I suspect it was because I've just spent the last half hour defending myself from the ridiculous accusation that I'm a Russian plant, or just generically anti-British (see also the last four years or so of AB discussions).

[jim360]

Oh, yes, and maybe your "I read what you write", directed at me, straight after talking about how anti-British people are.

I don't assume that people hang on to my every word, but if you keep reading (badly) what I write, I can be forgiven for thinking that you do read my posts and, occasionally, maybe even comment on them.

[naomi24]

Jim, the responses you get result from what you've written. What's to say?

[naomi24]

Jim, My "I read what you write" was in response to your previous post where you said 'No comment on those, Naomi?' If you don't want an answer don't ask me a question.

[iluvmargie]

So jim, why do YOU think you are constantly being told you are anti British, there must be a reason if several think it. I have no opinion on the matter one way or the other as regards you, but I do remember you defending the Chinese with vigour as well, whenever anybody dared to say it was a chinese virus!

[jim360]

What indeed? It's a manifest nonsense that what I write is "anti-British". Look to your own perspective for a change. Whatever you think my motivations or intentions are, you are wrong to do so, and you are wrong to continue the claim that you are, effectively, forced into reaching those perceptions. You are not.

[jim360]

People see others' opinions through their own perspectives, iluvmargie. There are a lot of commonalities in the politics of those who think I'm anti-British. I'd suggest that isn't a coincidence, and probably has a lot to do with what they regard as anti-British behaviour or sentiments.