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Labour Is A Smashed Wreck But What Does A Potential Leader Focus On....?

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ToraToraTora | 15:42 Fri 10th Jan 2020 | News
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51062770
You couldn't make it up! Whatever your view on the monarchy I'd have thought there were plenty of issues ahead of it! PMSL!
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naomi - // I think people are over-estimating Keir Starmer’s potential for dragging the party back to some semblance of common sense. Knighted he may be, and I think that in itself instils in the electorate a false sense of confidence, but in truth his politics fall way short of what’s needed to save the Labour party. Simply more of the same in a different...
14:48 Sat 11th Jan 2020
ooh I don't know, abolition would realise £67m a year - that would look good on the side of a bus, eh?
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better ask the abacus how many plods that would buy!
What a waste of space Clive is just jumping on the bandwagon.
Let's be honest, he was never really in the running. Maybe the Monster Raving Loony Party need a new leader?
Oh God, can it get any worse, what an absolute plonker.
Anyone with a brain cell will know that the chances of a referendum on the monarchy are zero. Wee Jimmy has more chance of getting one on Indyref2.
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not only that JD, Joe Public is mightily peaced off with referendums at the mo!
One has to take the opportunity to put them in the past when it comes along.
As a candidate, you have a number of choices -

You can concentrate on advising how Jeremy was cheated, and how wonderful he and his policies are - which gives you a shoe-in with the 'top-end' where the actual choice of leader will be made.

You can confirm that the Party is full of 'returning' to a fantasy vision of the UK that only ever existed in the febrile imaginations of the Islington Set - and vow to return to reality - which will gain you the respect and support of the entire electorate, but it won't matter because the aforementioned 'top end' will scupper you instantly.

Or you can pick on a current thorny issue, make it look like you are in touch with reality, when in fact the electorate cares far less than the media you are courting with the issue gaining you considerable air-time and column inches, while simultaneously making you look like an attention-seeking numpty who has been living on Mars for the last year or so.

Mr Johnson appears to have opted for the latter, and added a few stones of his own to his pockets, to those placed by the PLP, and is ready to be thrown into the Thames and sink without trace.
I think he's as likely to be the next leader of the party as I am.
Whoever is the next leader needs to drag the party back to the central ground.
Keir Starmer is the likely shoe in... he is the front runner so far.
sandy - // Whoever is the next leader needs to drag the party back to the central ground. //

That is clearly what is needed - the only problem is, to be within a hint of being in a position to actually do that, you have to have convinced the 'top end' that being three inches to the left of Karl Marx is exactly the right place for the party moving forward.
I think Keir Starmer is likely, being the only candidate with a fighting chance of not morphing into a swivel-eyed loon with underpants on his head and pencils up his nose saying "Wibble..." by the time the next election rolls round.
I think people are over-estimating Keir Starmer’s potential for dragging the party back to some semblance of common sense. Knighted he may be, and I think that in itself instils in the electorate a false sense of confidence, but in truth his politics fall way short of what’s needed to save the Labour party. Simply more of the same in a different guise.
he's still the front runner, but they do have a way to go. i don't think it matters however who is the next Labour leader as they all are singing from the same hymn sheet over why they lost the election.
Keith Starmer is not all that popular among the Labour Party members.They were not pleased at his stance on Brexit.I think one of the female candidates will be successful.
I have listened to Lisa Nandy, Jess Phillips, and Emily Thornberry, including one or two others, you can't choose between them to be honest. Their viewpoints may be different but the conclusion will be the same, not a winner amongst them, to challenge Boris.
naomi - // I think people are over-estimating Keir Starmer’s potential for dragging the party back to some semblance of common sense. Knighted he may be, and I think that in itself instils in the electorate a false sense of confidence, but in truth his politics fall way short of what’s needed to save the Labour party. Simply more of the same in a different guise. //

My personal view is that Sir Keir occupies the 'vaguest possible outside chance of altering the Labour Party's runaway express to political oblivion' - as opposed to any of the other candidates who occupy the 'no chance whatsoever' position.

In other words, he is the best of a bad lot, but considering how bad that bad lot actually are, that's not really saying a lot.

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