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It'll be interesting to see whether any of the site's right-wingers are truly able to (quote) "handle the truth" as expressed by their senior politicians.
It'll be interesting to see whether any of the site's right-wingers are truly able to (quote) "handle the truth" as expressed by their senior politicians.
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// carefully chosen "quotes" in the left wing rag were all lifted from longer tracts //
No they weren’t. You didn’t even bother to follow the link.
The video showed cabinet members from just a few weeks ago in June when the Proroguing plot was first hatched. Each Cabinet member declared proroguing as barmy, undemocratic, never going to happen. Raab even went on about men dying on enemy beaches to keep our democracy, stating he wouldn’t allow proroguing. Then a few weeks later he is all for it.
It is a great demonstration of politicians doing anything to keep their jobs. Changing their opinions at the drop of a hat, and looking very foolish and amateurish. For those who didn’t follow the link, the short video is embedded below...
// carefully chosen "quotes" in the left wing rag were all lifted from longer tracts //
No they weren’t. You didn’t even bother to follow the link.
The video showed cabinet members from just a few weeks ago in June when the Proroguing plot was first hatched. Each Cabinet member declared proroguing as barmy, undemocratic, never going to happen. Raab even went on about men dying on enemy beaches to keep our democracy, stating he wouldn’t allow proroguing. Then a few weeks later he is all for it.
It is a great demonstration of politicians doing anything to keep their jobs. Changing their opinions at the drop of a hat, and looking very foolish and amateurish. For those who didn’t follow the link, the short video is embedded below...
There's no penny to drop Zac. Can't be many, other than you maybe, who ever thought our own politicians and political system was flawless. But as has been pointed out umpteen times, our system is ours and we can do something about it if the will is there. Especially if we avoid antidemocratic candidates, such as those we have now who are trying to thwart Brexit, from getting voted in. But if that proves impossible, rules limiting their destructive tendancies need to be put in place. Loopholes allowing them to cause havoc, closed.
//One of the consequences of starting a new session, by the way, is that the previous Withdrawal Agreement can now be voted on again. It wouldn't be totally a surprise if that ends up being Boris's plan. Kick up a fuss about the Backstop, secure only superficial changes to it, and claim a triumph because MPs are now too scared of No Deal to vote it down.//
Which is what Farage believes and what Melanie Phillips suspects.
Me too (but I hope I'm wrong).
Don't know what would happen if that's the plan. Boris would now have to devote all his energies to avoiding an election. Would he be able to survive a vote of no confidence?
Which is what Farage believes and what Melanie Phillips suspects.
Me too (but I hope I'm wrong).
Don't know what would happen if that's the plan. Boris would now have to devote all his energies to avoiding an election. Would he be able to survive a vote of no confidence?
OG, come the next GE we’ll all just vote in the same people or the same type of people because, as you pointed out earlier in the thread, there’s no alternative! The only person you’re kidding is yourself.
And I’m on record as criticising the government in abundance so less of the feeble attempts to ‘dis’ me.
And I’m on record as criticising the government in abundance so less of the feeble attempts to ‘dis’ me.
It's troubling that anyone who disagrees that Brexit is the best course of action is referred to as "antidemocratic", as if dissent is no longer tolerated. That would be the true anti-democratic position. In a country that enjoys true and free democracy, there is always a place for the minority view -- for the "loser" -- to continue to voice, and to push for, their opinions. Anything else is the reserve of a dictatorship.
As to whether or not Johnson et al are really pushing for what you want -- we'll see. But I shouldn't be at all surprised to see his most vocal supporters here soon turn into his most vicious critics. As it was with May, so it will surely be with Johnson. And then the one after him, and so on.
And once again I'd never be happier to be proved wrong. If Johnson succeeds in delivering Brexit, and if it turns out that all the negative consequences expected turn out to be phoney, then who exactly loses out? I'd be embarrassed, and that's about it.
As to whether or not Johnson et al are really pushing for what you want -- we'll see. But I shouldn't be at all surprised to see his most vocal supporters here soon turn into his most vicious critics. As it was with May, so it will surely be with Johnson. And then the one after him, and so on.
And once again I'd never be happier to be proved wrong. If Johnson succeeds in delivering Brexit, and if it turns out that all the negative consequences expected turn out to be phoney, then who exactly loses out? I'd be embarrassed, and that's about it.
//then who exactly loses out? //
That tells us everything.The whole of Britain that's who. Irreparable damage has been done by the devious anti Britain agitators to say nothing of the cost and damage to our short term economy. The risible notion that "the losers", who incidentally were getting their democratic rights served up during the referendum, should be allowed to carry on with the question when the answer has been delivered is just an indication of the undeserved self regard that they have for themselves. Talk about moving the goalposts. At least the Brexit fiasco has cleared the decks.. The shizzen is now all neatly piled up on one side and ready for disposal. It has forced the 5th columnists to show their true colours, never again will they be able to hide their true loyalties behind lies and secrecy.
That tells us everything.The whole of Britain that's who. Irreparable damage has been done by the devious anti Britain agitators to say nothing of the cost and damage to our short term economy. The risible notion that "the losers", who incidentally were getting their democratic rights served up during the referendum, should be allowed to carry on with the question when the answer has been delivered is just an indication of the undeserved self regard that they have for themselves. Talk about moving the goalposts. At least the Brexit fiasco has cleared the decks.. The shizzen is now all neatly piled up on one side and ready for disposal. It has forced the 5th columnists to show their true colours, never again will they be able to hide their true loyalties behind lies and secrecy.
Dissent on such an occasion should not need to be tolerated. Anyone can hold a contrary view but having expressed it and not won the debate it is only right that they try to make what was decided, work. When actively working to prevent a democratically arrived at decision, antidemocratic is the correct description for them. Their actions are appalling in a democracy.
//"A shambolic Parliament"?
Are you sure, NJ,//
Absolutely sure, QM. It is Parliament that has caused this shambles and it has done so because 80% of its members are Remainers who refuse to countenance our departure from the EU by any means whatsoever. They don’t want the only deal on offer; they don’t want No Deal. That only leaves one option, which is their preferred one. If Parliament had adopted a more honest approach from the outset (that we are leaving come what may) there would not be a “crisis” (as some people are calling it). There is no partisanship involved (other than “Leavers” and “Remainers”). It is the fault of the government, the opposition and the Speaker. They should have accepted the referendum result, cracked on and saw our departure as swiftly as possible. “No Deal” will only cause problems if the EU creates them; pragmatic heads across the Channel could easily ensure that no problems ensue but they are overwhelmed by political dogma.As I repeatedly say, had the result been to Remain that decision would have been enacted the very next day, There would have been no debate, no "transition period", no Parliamentary debates, no compromise.
With regards to that Nice Mr Major poking his oar in, in 1997 he was the architect of one of the longest prorogations in Parliamentary history. A General Election had already been called for May 1st and Parliament was due to be dissolved on 8th April. Instead, in order to avoid the report on the “cash for Questions” affair being debated in the House he prorogued Parliament on 21st March. This meant no Parliamentary business was conducted for almost six weeks. It seems the hypocritical Mr Major doesn’t do irony.
Are you sure, NJ,//
Absolutely sure, QM. It is Parliament that has caused this shambles and it has done so because 80% of its members are Remainers who refuse to countenance our departure from the EU by any means whatsoever. They don’t want the only deal on offer; they don’t want No Deal. That only leaves one option, which is their preferred one. If Parliament had adopted a more honest approach from the outset (that we are leaving come what may) there would not be a “crisis” (as some people are calling it). There is no partisanship involved (other than “Leavers” and “Remainers”). It is the fault of the government, the opposition and the Speaker. They should have accepted the referendum result, cracked on and saw our departure as swiftly as possible. “No Deal” will only cause problems if the EU creates them; pragmatic heads across the Channel could easily ensure that no problems ensue but they are overwhelmed by political dogma.As I repeatedly say, had the result been to Remain that decision would have been enacted the very next day, There would have been no debate, no "transition period", no Parliamentary debates, no compromise.
With regards to that Nice Mr Major poking his oar in, in 1997 he was the architect of one of the longest prorogations in Parliamentary history. A General Election had already been called for May 1st and Parliament was due to be dissolved on 8th April. Instead, in order to avoid the report on the “cash for Questions” affair being debated in the House he prorogued Parliament on 21st March. This meant no Parliamentary business was conducted for almost six weeks. It seems the hypocritical Mr Major doesn’t do irony.
Non of them do irony Judge. I see that today agent Cob has endorsed a plot by hard-left supporters to occupy the Palace of Westminster and “shut down the streets" in protest at Bojo proroguing parliament. They are sitting with their Sainsbury's hampers and bottles of fiz. Hard left, bless em. Perhaps if we keep sending in supplies we can get them to stay there and block Westminster until.........oohhh say 31st October?
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