Theresa May: We Risk Ending Up With No Brexit At All

[naomi24]

//The prime minister has issued a stark warning to MPs that failure to back her plan for Brexit would risk the UK not leaving the EU at all.//

https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-back-my-chequers-plan-or-brexit-wont-happen-11437460

A stark warning? One could be forgiven for thinking she’s worried about flouting the democratic will of the people. Nigel Farage, speaking on ‘The Wright Stuff’ a couple of days ago, said that delaying tactics could be employed until the eleventh hour when Article 50 would be suspended. Is the real end plan coming to fruition? I think so.

[dannyk13]

ZM, Imposition of tariffs is a two way street.

[jim360]

It would be easier to take the conspiracy theory that this is all a Remain plot seriously if (a) Remain had actually won the referendum in the first place, thwarting it properly rather than in this messy, half-cocked manner, and (b) if David Davis, BoJo, Liam Fox, and several other prominent leavers had never even got close to being in office at all.

The fact that even they have failed to deliver could be more plausibly interpreted as being down to the real truth: that Brexit, at least in the time limits they set themselves, is impossible to achieve in the manner you, and they, would have wanted.

[Old_Geezer]

When I queried this before and was shown the relevant paragraph it stated the EU decides the deal but has to get agreement. Obviously agreement has to be with those to whom they are offering the deal. But in any case it's irrelevant. The EU can try to insist and they can be told what to do with their insistence. No country with any form of self respect will allow itself to be abused by bullies.

[naomi24]

zacs, //I’ve already pointed out that ‘we’ can’t suspend it , Naomi. //

We can with EU agreement ... and I doubt very much they're going to say 'No'. They'll be jumping for joy! More lovely money!!

[Zacs-Master]

That’s not a very good analogy, danny. It’s more like a 2 way cul de sac for both us and the EU. If I were a farmer, anyone in the motor manufacturing trade, or a financial sector worker, I’d be very worried every time ‘no deal’ was mentioned.

[Zacs-Master]

‘Obviously agreement has to be with those to whom they are offering the deal‘

Again, you’re wrong.

[Kromovaracun]

"Leave means Leave," said Naomi.

"A thing should always mean itself," said Alice, "and I suppose for those people who do know what it means, or think they do, the affirmation that it means itself is reassuring."

She paused, "but to those that don't know what it means and see others fighting over its meaning, can you please say what it means, or should mean?"

"But it does mean Leave," insisted Naomi.

[dannyk13]

ZM, so your stance is that you are right and everyone else is wrong.

[Zacs-Master]

Naomi, May has already agreed to paying the EU £millions after we leave. Last September I think it was.

[Old_Geezer]

Some here don't seem to believe we can just walk away. Call it hard Brexit if one must. The EU can make as many appalling exit suggestions as they wish, and none will be accepted. We will have gone.

As for not getting a pro-Brexit leader of the Tories; they'd be insane to elect another anti-Brexit leader as the situation won't have changed, and the same utter lack of confidence in whoever's elected would remain.

[Zacs-Master]

danny, it’s not my ‘stance’ It’s simply a fact that damaging tariffs will be immediately imposed on several areas of business and financial firms will, under WTO rules, lose their passport if rights.

[Zacs-Master]

Passporting

[Gromit]

Naomi,
The reality is that the UK cannot impose its terms on the rest of the EU. If we are unable to broker a deal, then on the 1st April 2019, the EU will tell us what the terms are.
Farage is only stating the obvious. If the Government (and possibly Parliament) decide that the EU terms for leaving are unacceptible, then we may decide to withdraw Article 50.
It would be much better for the UK to decide our own fate, but we seem to have a huge failure to grasp the nettle.

[Zacs-Master]

Can you point out anyone who’s said we can’t just walk away, OG?

[dannyk13]

And your proof of this is?

[Old_Geezer]

10:24 I think someone owes both Brexit supports, supporters of truth, and jews an apology. And a possible voluntary suspension. It'll be interesting to watch if the post remains.

[Zacs-Master]

Gromit, we cant withdraw article 50. It’s not legally possible now that it has been signed.

[Old_Geezer]

SUPPORTERS !

[Zacs-Master]

Why not just name me, OG? My example was extreme, ill grant you but in the face of Naomi blaming remain voters for the current fiasco, I wanted to use an example which would be point out the ludicrous nature of the situation.

[Old_Geezer]

'Leave' can be looked up in the dictionary. I doubt anyone will find a definition that says words to the effect of, "Stay where you are, change a few things, and pretend you have left"