Arising From Another Brexit Discussion Above......for The Remainers....

[ToraToraTora]

A typically excellent post in the discussion above from the judge stated this:
".... I’m more concerned with it (UK) being able to determine its own future without being dictated to by unelected foreign civil servants. No Remainer has ever explained to me why they are quite prepared to put up with this which would not be tolerated by any other democratic country in the world outside the EU." - I thought this worthy of it's own post, over to you remainers.....Why are you happy to be controlled by unelected foreign civil servants?

[Jackdaw33]

As I am not in the least a Remainer I can only agree 100% with NJ's comments.

[Hazi-Hammenuhoth]

Yeah but yeah but... The bus!!! The bus! Don't forget the bus.

[ToraToraTora]

hazi this is my response to jno about the bus on another post:
"jno jno jno me old VB China, I assume that English is not your first language: It says: "We send the EU £350million a week" - thats a statement, yes?? "Lets fund our NHS instead" - that's a suggestion of how we could spend that money, right? Same as if I'd said let's go down the road for a coffee, a suggestion not a promise. If that's all you can find as a "lie" I suggest you learn English. "

[Ryzen]

Hand wringers will put up with anything to avoid change.

[weecalf]

Only thing is and it don’t bother me whether we leave or stay .Why were the good people of Britain lied to if it was such a good idea in the first place .

[Hazi-Hammenuhoth]

Tora... The bus is the end of all Brexit arguments. When remoaners run out of arguments, well, there's still the bus. And then they've "won".

Geddit? ;)

[Zacs-Master]

I think that was answered by the vote of no confidence from the IoD. Superfluous question if you’d just read your other post’s answers. But....then again I’m used to you looking at things in this level of detail and the rest of us having to explain.

In simple terms, we have a booming economy, I couldn’t see one single negative effect that the EU had on me, personally and so concluded it was sheer madness to sail into uncharted waters.

It was even more madness to do it as a protest against the Govt. On two levels. 1 the Govt were Pro EU and we’re never going to make things easy and 2 if it was a protest vote, you were voting to give the party you were protesting about even more autonomy. Doh!

I tried to dumb the above down a little and not use too many long words so I hope it’s comprehensible (apart from that one).

[sp1814]

TTT

I understood that the UK had MEPs who would vote with allies in the European Parliament on behalf of our national
interests.

Also - because I’d been fed so many EU lies (by our own national newspapers), that when they started talking about the EUSSR, and faceless mandarins and unelected blah blah etc, I took it with a pinch of salt.

What people of my age and younger will have to do, is believe old Leavers who know what Britain was like before joining the Common Market, as all we have known is being part of it.

I only hope that they don’t think we will return to being a pre-EU country. I hope they realise that this is impossible.

[ToraToraTora]

"were the good people of Britain lied to if it was such a good idea in the first place " - well as the late Tony Benn said, joining in the first place was a coup d'etat by the British politicians over the British people. So yes I'd say the people were misled and bundled inti the EC at the time.

[Togo]

It's not working Re-mooners.........everybody back on the bus. :))

[Zacs-Master]

sp, yeah, cos it was all sweetness and light before we joined the Common Market. We had bendy bananas, purple carrots and ambrosia for tea every night. Aaaaah.

[Jackdaw33]

I only wish that Enoch Powell was alive to see this day. He would have reacted the same as he did when Thatcher ousted Heath - by singing a solemn Te Deum.

[sp1814]

TTT

The most likely outcome of Brexit is that not much will change for most people in practical terms.

I think that's the problem. At the end of the day, when the dust settles and 'we've got our borders back' and 'our sovereignty is ours again', people will see little in their day to day lives that makes this whole thing worth it.

What we will have - for the rest of our lives, is a schism. A brand new one which will affect every family in the country.

Young against old.

I've noticed this at gatherings with friends. Nobody will talk about Brexit with their parents or grandparent, because it always causes rows.

People now stick to safe subjects like race and religion.

[sp1814]

Z-M

And don't forget the jam jars!

[ToraToraTora]

hazi - I see, you mean that's all they have? I see.

[Zacs-Master]

I’ve given you my honest opinion above. No comment?

[Old_Geezer]

This thread seems to be wandering away from reasons we have been putting up with being dictated to. MEPs only debate the demands, and a single country isn't going to be able to veto any decision from foreign MEPs. Our economy may be ok but it's pure conjecture whether we'd be better or worse off had we never joined; but the economy isn't the only issue, even though many see no further than that. The issue under discussion is sovereignty, self determination. It seems strange that, not feeling we're too badly off would be a reason to throw that away.

[Jackdaw33]

Another thing we didn't have before joining the EEC was VAT. Its British equivalent, purchase tax, was levied on a far smaller range of goods. It is outrageous that income tax payers should have to pay 20% of the value of an item extra when their income has already been taxed.

[ToraToraTora]

ZM: "I’ve given you my honest opinion above. No comment? " - you mean the rude and condescending response? Correct, no comment.

[Cloverjo]

What Z-M and sp said. I agree with them.