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When Will People Learn To Keep Dogs Under Control Near Babies + Children?
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Its simple. You supervise dogs when they are near children and children when they are near dogs. If you can't be there to supervise, then you keep dogs and children apart. Poor baby. Poor dog. Stupid adults.
14:49 Sat 20th Jun 2015
jourdain2 - //You obviously reinforced your daughter's irrational fear of dogs, tonyav (I mean by assuming that the dog's intent was evil and hoisting her up) I daresay she's now as frightened of them as you are. //
Point one, I am not remotely frightened of dogs, I have never said I am, because I am not in the slightest.
Point two, my daughter is now twenty-six and she absolutely adores dogs, and always has, from a child onwards.
//Yes, the owner should have had greater control, but a labrador is far, far more likely to want to play than anything else. The most that would have happened is that she would have accidentally been knocked over.//
If you imagine that I would wait while my daughter saw an animal bigger than she was with an open mouth and rows of teeth running towards her, and then let her figure out that the worst thing it was going to do was to knock her over, then you don't know much about my relationship with my children.
She was frightened and screaming, it was not a time to debate the finer points of dog / child interaction, or wait and see if the Labrador was indeed typical of its breed, or of it could just be the one that took a large chunk out of her, no doubt with attendant 'He's never done that before!' from the amazed owner.
Point one, I am not remotely frightened of dogs, I have never said I am, because I am not in the slightest.
Point two, my daughter is now twenty-six and she absolutely adores dogs, and always has, from a child onwards.
//Yes, the owner should have had greater control, but a labrador is far, far more likely to want to play than anything else. The most that would have happened is that she would have accidentally been knocked over.//
If you imagine that I would wait while my daughter saw an animal bigger than she was with an open mouth and rows of teeth running towards her, and then let her figure out that the worst thing it was going to do was to knock her over, then you don't know much about my relationship with my children.
She was frightened and screaming, it was not a time to debate the finer points of dog / child interaction, or wait and see if the Labrador was indeed typical of its breed, or of it could just be the one that took a large chunk out of her, no doubt with attendant 'He's never done that before!' from the amazed owner.
OK andy, apologies are in order - but I wouldn't have picked her up. I do, see earlier post, ensure that current dog is rendered harmless. People get so hysterically anti-dog (not aimed at you) when a rare tragedy like this happens, that I get a bit annoyed - and I have only once (in a lifelong experience) met a lab. that was the tiniest bit 'iffy'.
I have to be honest and say that I DO have a short attention span so forgive me if what I think has been said previously.
I love dogs (and most animals except Chimps) and hope to have another at a later time in my life.
• Dogs communicate by body language and some verbal noises. Children are not aware or do not understand this language.
• Toddlers move and act differently to older children – their erratic behaviour confuses dogs and can lead to attacks.
• Dogs are not born ‘bad’ but the nature and/or nurture theory moulds them – same as humans.
• Babies can smell really badly and can make a lot of noise.
• Some people are rough with dogs that are nervous. Nervous dogs bite.
• There are tons of variables as to why dogs bite but the fact is that they do and children are unable to protect themselves.
• Dogs and children are great together – magical mix. There should be rules on both sides and supervision by an adult.
My first dog was the biggest, softest lump of canine ever – but he was very protective of me. I am glad that he never had to physically protect me – he had the teeth and muscle to do quite a lot of damage.
I love dogs (and most animals except Chimps) and hope to have another at a later time in my life.
• Dogs communicate by body language and some verbal noises. Children are not aware or do not understand this language.
• Toddlers move and act differently to older children – their erratic behaviour confuses dogs and can lead to attacks.
• Dogs are not born ‘bad’ but the nature and/or nurture theory moulds them – same as humans.
• Babies can smell really badly and can make a lot of noise.
• Some people are rough with dogs that are nervous. Nervous dogs bite.
• There are tons of variables as to why dogs bite but the fact is that they do and children are unable to protect themselves.
• Dogs and children are great together – magical mix. There should be rules on both sides and supervision by an adult.
My first dog was the biggest, softest lump of canine ever – but he was very protective of me. I am glad that he never had to physically protect me – he had the teeth and muscle to do quite a lot of damage.
jourdain wrote:
'The most that would have happened is that she would have accidentally been knocked over.'
I respect all animals -but if your dog had knocked over one of my children it would have got a kick up the jacksie.
Do you realise what psychological damage a child could have being knocked over by an animal with huge teeth? You say labradors are rarely if ever 'iffy' I've seen two labs shot dead by a farmer for ripping the necks out of three ewes -obviously the ewes provoked the dogs by eating grass and running away. No breed of dog is 100% safe.
'The most that would have happened is that she would have accidentally been knocked over.'
I respect all animals -but if your dog had knocked over one of my children it would have got a kick up the jacksie.
Do you realise what psychological damage a child could have being knocked over by an animal with huge teeth? You say labradors are rarely if ever 'iffy' I've seen two labs shot dead by a farmer for ripping the necks out of three ewes -obviously the ewes provoked the dogs by eating grass and running away. No breed of dog is 100% safe.
jourdain2 - //OK andy, apologies are in order...//
Thank you - accepted most graciously.
// - but I wouldn't have picked her up. I do, see earlier post, ensure that current dog is rendered harmless. People get so hysterically anti-dog (not aimed at you) when a rare tragedy like this happens, that I get a bit annoyed - and I have only once (in a lifelong experience) met a lab. that was the tiniest bit 'iffy'. //
I appreciate that people do get 'anti-dog' which is a standard knee-jerk reaction when tragedies like this occur but -
should the same thing happen with any of my four youngest grand children, I would do exactly the same again.
I am not wiling to wait and find out the intentions of a large dog towards a small child, especially since, if the intentions are not as kindly as the history of the breed would indicate, I don't want to be the one finding out the hard way as my family member is savaged before my eyes, and have to answer some tall questions from any of my daughters about why I didn't keep her child safe.
Thank you - accepted most graciously.
// - but I wouldn't have picked her up. I do, see earlier post, ensure that current dog is rendered harmless. People get so hysterically anti-dog (not aimed at you) when a rare tragedy like this happens, that I get a bit annoyed - and I have only once (in a lifelong experience) met a lab. that was the tiniest bit 'iffy'. //
I appreciate that people do get 'anti-dog' which is a standard knee-jerk reaction when tragedies like this occur but -
should the same thing happen with any of my four youngest grand children, I would do exactly the same again.
I am not wiling to wait and find out the intentions of a large dog towards a small child, especially since, if the intentions are not as kindly as the history of the breed would indicate, I don't want to be the one finding out the hard way as my family member is savaged before my eyes, and have to answer some tall questions from any of my daughters about why I didn't keep her child safe.
Retrochic - //jourdain wrote:
'The most that would have happened is that she would have accidentally been knocked over.'
I respect all animals -but if your dog had knocked over one of my children it would have got a kick up the jacksie. //
In my situation, I would not have taken the time to walk round to its rear end - the dog was in danger of knocking me over, with my child held above my head, and I was not ready to risk injury to either of us.
I resent that some dog owners fail to appreciate that not everyone thinks Bowser is just a fabulous ball of playing fun, like they do.
'The most that would have happened is that she would have accidentally been knocked over.'
I respect all animals -but if your dog had knocked over one of my children it would have got a kick up the jacksie. //
In my situation, I would not have taken the time to walk round to its rear end - the dog was in danger of knocking me over, with my child held above my head, and I was not ready to risk injury to either of us.
I resent that some dog owners fail to appreciate that not everyone thinks Bowser is just a fabulous ball of playing fun, like they do.
Couple of years back, I'd just got back to the Car Park at Sandwich Bay after a good walk, was just opening the rear hatch to put the dogs in when a car parked up about 50 yards away, and a mature woman got out and opened the rear door letting two small dogs out who immediately headed in our direction in full attack mode dragging leads behind them.
I told my two to get in the back of the Estate, which they did, while the other two were going loopy trying to reach them.
When mature woman arrived I asked (with a smile) any chance you could keep your dogs under control please? to which the reply was;
"Why the f888 should I, it's you that's got the f88888g dangerous dogs!"
At that stage my two were sitting in the car looking puzzled as to what the fuss was all about.
Now that imo is what gives dog owners a bad name.
and hughes I haven't a short attention span as you so rudely put it. What I do have is an attention span of reading your rubbish !! Dogs are lovely and I have NEVER had a dangerous dog and I have lived around dogs all my life (50 odd years) and never had any problems. I would trust my dog before a human being ANY day of the week, he is more loving, trusting, faithful and gentle than any human and HE was badly abused for a lot of his lifetime before I rescued him (as far too many dogs are), but he forgives as only a dog can. You and retro can spout all you like (and no doubt will), but I care not, give me my lovely dog over a know it all like you and retro any time. I will not read any more of your comments and am NOT interested in anything else you have to say. Now go on, do what you always do and copy word for word what I have said and then rabbit on for several more paragraphs as is your wont !!
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chaptazbru - //Now go on, do what you always do and copy word for word what I have said and then rabbit on for several more paragraphs as is your wont !! //
If, as you say, you are not going to read it, there really isn't a lot of point is there?
I am pleased you love your dog and other dogs so much, and that you have enjoyed a trouble-free relationship with your dogs, but as to trusting them more than humans - that seems a little over-intense to be honest.
Oops - forgot, I am writing, and you are not reading ....
If, as you say, you are not going to read it, there really isn't a lot of point is there?
I am pleased you love your dog and other dogs so much, and that you have enjoyed a trouble-free relationship with your dogs, but as to trusting them more than humans - that seems a little over-intense to be honest.
Oops - forgot, I am writing, and you are not reading ....
chaptazbru - //and hughes I haven't a short attention span as you so rudely//
That was an attempt at a little light humour - apologies if it fell short.
But in respect of your post, I am unsure why you feel such hostility towards me for what I have said.
All I have said is that any dog is capable of turning at any time, regardless of breed and temprement - that is a simple fact.
That does not imply a dislike or fear of dogs - quite the opposite, I love dogs, and have had them as pets, and would again.
So I am unsure why you feel such anger about what I have said - maybe in the spirit of debate you might like to respond?
That was an attempt at a little light humour - apologies if it fell short.
But in respect of your post, I am unsure why you feel such hostility towards me for what I have said.
All I have said is that any dog is capable of turning at any time, regardless of breed and temprement - that is a simple fact.
That does not imply a dislike or fear of dogs - quite the opposite, I love dogs, and have had them as pets, and would again.
So I am unsure why you feel such anger about what I have said - maybe in the spirit of debate you might like to respond?
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