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"I rather think that teaching English to people who live here is a good use of funds. What would you rather do instead?" I'd rather we insisted that they learn to speak English at their own expense, rather like almost every other nation insists that people living there learn to speak the native tongue. We did the so-called tax-breaks bit afforded to private...
23:19 Sun 30th Nov 2014
That's 0.6% of the total that the UK has allocated on education in for 2015:
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I find myself feeling not very bothered by that sum, because at the end of the day I want kids to leave school with excellent written and spoken English, so that they can get good jobs and pay the taxes/NI which will fund my pension in 20 years.
By the way - I can't see anywhere in the report where the delta figure is given...detailing the amount that the parents of these children are contributing I'm taxes and NI.
It almost looks as if these parents aren't contributing a penny, which is odd - because it makes it look as if there's some agenda in the way the story is being reported.
Can't work it out...
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I find myself feeling not very bothered by that sum, because at the end of the day I want kids to leave school with excellent written and spoken English, so that they can get good jobs and pay the taxes/NI which will fund my pension in 20 years.
By the way - I can't see anywhere in the report where the delta figure is given...detailing the amount that the parents of these children are contributing I'm taxes and NI.
It almost looks as if these parents aren't contributing a penny, which is odd - because it makes it look as if there's some agenda in the way the story is being reported.
Can't work it out...
Perhaps of more concern should be the tax breaks afforded through charitable status to many private schools which increasingly seem to be for the children of mega wealthy foreigners who don't live here and contribute nothing to our economy and neither will their children. Teaching English seems a good idea to me. I thought that was what we all wanted
To clarify - a business exists to make the most money possible. If business owners discover that hardworking immigrants are the most suited to maximising profits, why should they be prevented from hiring them?
Anything else would be protectionism.
...which oddly enough, is what trade unions were accused of in the 70s.
What goes around, comes around I suppose.
Anything else would be protectionism.
...which oddly enough, is what trade unions were accused of in the 70s.
What goes around, comes around I suppose.
"I rather think that teaching English to people who live here is a good use of funds. What would you rather do instead?"
I'd rather we insisted that they learn to speak English at their own expense, rather like almost every other nation insists that people living there learn to speak the native tongue.
We did the so-called tax-breaks bit afforded to private schools last week ichkeria. Fee paying schools are one of the great successes of this country. Whilst many wealthy people send their children to them, many others who send their children there are by no means rich. They make huge sacrifices (not made by people who use the State system) to ensure their children receive the best education possible. One of the reasons they provide an excellent education is that they do not divert large sums of their limited funds towards teaching children to speak English.
"...so that they can get good jobs and pay the taxes/NI which will fund my pension in 20 years. "
Leaving aside the fact that the money taken from you should be invested on your behalf instead of relying on future contributors to fund your pension, you should not hold your breath, sp. The majority of immigrants and their offspring occupy low paid low skilled jobs which require the State to supplement their income by in work benefits. A person earning the minimum wage for a 40 hour week is having their income approximately doubled by tax credits, child benefit and housing benefits. The UK is in the process of swapping its population. Those who leave are mainly wealthy either because of a combination of assets, income and skills. Those who arrive are predominantly poorer because of the lack of any of those three.
"It almost looks as if these parents aren't contributing a penny..."
It's precisely because, as I have pointed out above, many of them are not.
Businesses discover that it is in their interests to employ hard working immigrants to maximise their profits because those very people have their incomes supplemented to a huge degree by the taxpayer thus enabling the employers to keep their wages low. It is in the interests of businesses to do so (hence their eagerness) but it is not in anybody else's. If you can't work it out it's because you have not taken account of the enormous subsidies provided by the taxpayer to support these lowly paid people. The free markets to which you refer are not free markets at all. They are highly skewed markets influenced to an enormous degree by taxpayer funded benefits.
As I have said many times before on AB I have first hand experience of observing classrooms where many of the children cannot speak reasonable English. It is an absolute nightmare for the teachers and in some areas the additional costs involved in dealing with this problem are huge. Anybody who thinks this is a good way to spend limited funds is sadly deluded.
I'd rather we insisted that they learn to speak English at their own expense, rather like almost every other nation insists that people living there learn to speak the native tongue.
We did the so-called tax-breaks bit afforded to private schools last week ichkeria. Fee paying schools are one of the great successes of this country. Whilst many wealthy people send their children to them, many others who send their children there are by no means rich. They make huge sacrifices (not made by people who use the State system) to ensure their children receive the best education possible. One of the reasons they provide an excellent education is that they do not divert large sums of their limited funds towards teaching children to speak English.
"...so that they can get good jobs and pay the taxes/NI which will fund my pension in 20 years. "
Leaving aside the fact that the money taken from you should be invested on your behalf instead of relying on future contributors to fund your pension, you should not hold your breath, sp. The majority of immigrants and their offspring occupy low paid low skilled jobs which require the State to supplement their income by in work benefits. A person earning the minimum wage for a 40 hour week is having their income approximately doubled by tax credits, child benefit and housing benefits. The UK is in the process of swapping its population. Those who leave are mainly wealthy either because of a combination of assets, income and skills. Those who arrive are predominantly poorer because of the lack of any of those three.
"It almost looks as if these parents aren't contributing a penny..."
It's precisely because, as I have pointed out above, many of them are not.
Businesses discover that it is in their interests to employ hard working immigrants to maximise their profits because those very people have their incomes supplemented to a huge degree by the taxpayer thus enabling the employers to keep their wages low. It is in the interests of businesses to do so (hence their eagerness) but it is not in anybody else's. If you can't work it out it's because you have not taken account of the enormous subsidies provided by the taxpayer to support these lowly paid people. The free markets to which you refer are not free markets at all. They are highly skewed markets influenced to an enormous degree by taxpayer funded benefits.
As I have said many times before on AB I have first hand experience of observing classrooms where many of the children cannot speak reasonable English. It is an absolute nightmare for the teachers and in some areas the additional costs involved in dealing with this problem are huge. Anybody who thinks this is a good way to spend limited funds is sadly deluded.
NJ
And why do we not demand that businesses pay a fair living wage?
It may be because, as I mentioned earlier - our economy relies on poor wages. We now don't have any strong unions (perhaps a good thing), but the end result of the decimation of the unions is that rather than businesses paying a living wage, we do.
Now, I'm not saying that we should return to the 70s by any means...but it certainly looks as if the pendulum has swung way too far.
And why do we not demand that businesses pay a fair living wage?
It may be because, as I mentioned earlier - our economy relies on poor wages. We now don't have any strong unions (perhaps a good thing), but the end result of the decimation of the unions is that rather than businesses paying a living wage, we do.
Now, I'm not saying that we should return to the 70s by any means...but it certainly looks as if the pendulum has swung way too far.
NJ
You refer to low income wages.
There should be some clarification here. Low income is not the same as the minimum wage.
Furthermore, I don't see why immigrants and their children should not benefit from extra tuition, because poorly performing children from low income 'native Britons' receive extra tuition, summer school, remedial classes etc.
If money is to be allocated based on the supposed input from parents, then every 'native Briton' who is failing at school should receive no extra help until their parents stump up the dosh.
Now that would be fair.
You refer to low income wages.
There should be some clarification here. Low income is not the same as the minimum wage.
Furthermore, I don't see why immigrants and their children should not benefit from extra tuition, because poorly performing children from low income 'native Britons' receive extra tuition, summer school, remedial classes etc.
If money is to be allocated based on the supposed input from parents, then every 'native Briton' who is failing at school should receive no extra help until their parents stump up the dosh.
Now that would be fair.
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