The Aftermath Of Notting Hill Carnival

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/three-men-stabbed-and-two-police-officers-injured-at-notting-hill-carnival-9690519.html

Nice to see that the carnival everybody loves went off quite peacefully.

Just three men were stabbed, two police officers injured, 261 arrests, several men injured, one sustaining a serious stab wound and eight others also received knife wounds, six men arrested on suspicion of attempted murder, and a female police officer attacked.

The Metropolitan Police also issued Section 60 and Section 60AA Orders, giving police the power to stop and search across the two-day Carnival late last night in response to the stabbings, but strangely enough they were only put in place from 7pm on Monday until 2am Tuesday, why weren't they in place before, during and after the carnival?

Nice though to see a change from the obligatory black lady wears policeman's helmet photo.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/25/article-2733750-20C9B59800000578-379_470x708.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/25/article-2733750-20C9B51200000578-386_470x708.jpg

[anotheoldgit]

Henrietta

One twin could be oblivious of a severe motorway crash or even a disastrous plane crash, simply because she was not on that particular scene or on a completely different flight.

Yet the other who had remained in her house had read the details of these two happenings in her newspaper, so consequently she was more informed to be able to comment on them than her twin.

[Zacs-Master]

AOG //The majority suffering for the acts of the minority, is a situation that we have all become accustomed to//

So you would deprive over 900 thousand people of their enjoyment of the NHC because of these few incidents?

As I've said before, the people who go are well aware of the very small risk of harm to their person and they still turn up. You are, and you care not to take that risk which is fair enough. Can you not just leave it at that instead of going on an ill advised rant?

[sp1814]

Colinandjess

In fairness, AOG is just returning to a variation on a question about the Notting Hill Carnival, that he has raised in 2008, 2011, 2012 and now twice in 2014 (I assume to make up for missing out last year).

It’s a valid question, and speaks well of AOG. His concern for the safety and well-being of the Carnival’s attendees is laudable, and I think he should be given credit for this.

However, I don’t agree with his conclusion that the Carnival itself should be banned. If we start off down that route, then I’m afraid it sends completely the wrong signals out. It would be tantamount to the police saying, “We cannot provide a service during this event that guarantees the safety and well-being of 99.94% of attendees, so it will not go ahead ever”.

I would shudder to be the Police Superintendent that has to issue that statement.

[New Judge]

And I'd be the first in the queue to shake his hand.

[New Judge]

Yes, I'm all for that.

Streets are for facilitating the movement of people and goods. They should not be used for parties, carnivals, demonstrations, preaching or gatherings.

[anotheoldgit]

Colinand

/// Well that's a shame NJ because the streets of London have been used for celebration for hundreds of years ///

Out come the history books.

[Zacs-Master]

I'm pretty sure NJs comment was TIC.

[New Judge]

No it wasn't Zacs.

Too many "events" are held in streets causing all manner of disruption for people going about their business. This is particularly so in London and as Colinandjess rightly says, if the NHC is banned many other events must also face the chop. London would be all the better for it and there are plenty of places where things like the carnival can be held where no inconvenience to others will ensue. It still wouldn't stop the crime but at least people wanting to get from A to B would not be put out.

[Zacs-Master]

It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen.

[sp1814]

New Judge

So no royal coronation processions?

No jubilee street parties?

No Lord Mayor's parade?

Nothing?

Hundreds of years of tradition wiped off the streets of the UK!

That would be quite a shame for all those who enjoy such events, wouldn't it?

I would suggest that if we were all polled on the question (as to whether all parades, including the above should be banned) you might find an alarmingly small number of people agreeing with you.

Possibly single figures.*




(*That's not percentages, I'm talking about headcount).

[sp1814]

NJ

For some reason, I can't imagine a local in Rio complaining:

"Eu odeio o carnaval. Não consigo chegar a Sainsburys para obter o meu pão diário de pão"

[sp1814]

AOG

Now this is very confusing - are you agreeing that hundreds of years of British tradition - traditions which are enjoyed all over the country *today* should be scrapped?

Just trying to gauge whether you're in agreement with New Judge.

Do you think these traditions should be consigned to the 'history books'?

I ask, because if you do, I can only assume your AnswerBank account has been hacked, because this certainly doesn't sound like you.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// So no royal coronation processions? ///

/// No jubilee street parties? ///

/// No Lord Mayor's parade? ///

I am sure the judge didn't mean any these and neither do I, these are part of English culture and tradition, which the carnival is not, and to my knowledge no murders or stabbings have taken place during these events.

[anotheoldgit]

ColinandJess

/// AOG why do you need the history books? ///

I don't, but wasn't it you who mentioned going back "hundreds of years".