Us Sailor In One Of The Most Famous Vj Celebration Pictures Dies.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581304/Man-known-kissing-sailor-WWII-era-image-dies.html

[emmie]

great photo, and a time of relief, i would say celebration but they were just glad it was all over.

[anotheoldgit]

Then what better to celebrate eh?

[pastafreak]

Such an iconic,happy photo.
RIP Mr McDuffie.

[emmie]

i think i would have simply been relieved it was all over.

[jim360]

We're getting closer and closer to World War II passing out of living memory...

[emmie]

no we are not.

[jim360]

Eh? Of course we are, by definition those who still remember World War Two aren't going to be around for ever. And that day when the last person who remembers the war dies is that bit closer now than it was before this news.

[emmie]

then next generation, the one after that, they won't be the ones that fought, but that does not mean it will go out of following generations minds, not with Remembrance services every November, and people who's families served in WW1, WW2. Books, films, theatre, tv, it's not a subject that goes away.

[LazyGun]

I am pretty sure I have read somewhere that they identified both the man and the woman - the sailor and the nurse - in this iconic photo, and whilst it purports to celebrate the joy of the moment, the woman was not all that happy about being kissed- in fact, it sounded like what she was saying was that she was grabbed and kissed, that he was probably drunk, grabbed her in a strong, vice-like grip, and in fact was non too happy about the whole trhing.

[jim360]

That can't be considered living memory though, can it? At some point everyone who was alive in WWII will be dead. At that point, the War will be out of "Living memory". There's no room for argument about that, it's a fact of life. That day, when it comes, will surely be sad in itself. We'll lose connection to one of the most terrible events in history, beyond what we can get from films and books.

[emmie]

you mean all those who took part, or were involved in some way, when they are all gone, it will be forgotten. not sure i see that as such.

[anneasquith]

just shows what nurses did for the war effort !

[woofgang]

emmie, "within living memory" means that there are people still alive who remember the actual event.
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/within-living-memory

while of course people from later generations will remember what they have been told, its not "living memory"

[emmie]

woof i do understand, it's that my interpretation was that it will all be forgotten, which i don't think will happen

[woofgang]

neither do I emmie, but it will no longer be "within living memory"

[Baldric]

Living memory is exactly what it sounds like, someone living who remembers the event happening!

[anotheoldgit]

LazyGun

/// the woman was not all that happy about being kissed- in fact, it sounded like what she was saying was that she was grabbed and kissed, that he was probably drunk, grabbed her in a strong, vice-like grip, and in fact was non too happy about the whole trhing. ///

Yes but in those days women showed their distaste by a good slap across the face of the guy, nowadays it would be considered sexual assault and the poor guy most likely hauled before the courts.

[LazyGun]

Well, we can obviously never know for sure, but the article I read suggested she found the advances, the handling, and the kiss unsolicited and unwelcome.

You talk about the "poor guy" being done for sexual assault should such a thing happen now, the implication of that being that you felt it was better "back in the day", correct?

So "back in the day", unless the woman flat out physically defends herself, you believe it is perfectly acceptable for any passing male stranger to kiss and embrace any adult female he feels like, without first making sure that such advances might not be welcomed?

It seems to me that it is better for women that times have changed, and that now they do have protections against being groped/kissed etc against their will.

[anotheoldgit]

LazyGun

The slap across the cheek worked all those years ago, and there was not a mass assault on women as you seem to suggest.

Incidentally I was once pinched on the bottom by an unknown female while i was leaning over a shopping trolley in my supermarket.

I didn't take the woman to court we just laughed it off, and there has not been an escalation of men having their bottoms pinched by uncontrollable females, not in my supermarket at least.

[Baldric]

Must have been ^^^ Morrisons!