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Tansgender Prisoner Moved From Women's Prison.

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anotheoldgit | 16:10 Wed 18th Dec 2013 | News
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A few weeks ago I entered a thread called
"Murderer To Be Allowed A Sex Change."

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1290017.html

Well according to the report below, this killer has been up to his tricks while serving his sentence in a Women's prison.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2525441/Transgender-murderer-Paris-Green-moved-womens-prison-sex-inmates.html

Should he now be moved into a male prison, and forget about his NHS funded sex change?
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And how would he know that? He only has one mind and nothing to compare it to.
Sqad is right, i know for a fact he has an amazing Janet Reger selection. Have you got the date through yet, sqad?
pixie.......LOL

Jim...stop digging.
Sorry Jim. Cross-posted. Is a brain scan a pre-op requirement?
Stop digging what, Sqad?
Trying to get out of mixing up a brain with the mind.
If I used the words interchangeably that was a slip on my part, but the point still stands.

Pre-op requirements, as I understand them, are to have a serious amount of counselling by gender therapists, followed by at least year of living as a member of the opposite gender -- dressing, and so forth -- and only then will they allow for reassignment surgeries. Either way it's a long road and few people take it lightly. The long time you have to live as your chosen gender while not usually looking convincingly like that gender is presumably a good opportunity to weed off those for whom surgery isn't the right option.
Jim.
Pre operative requirements are one thing..........diagnosis is quite another.
Jim...I am going for a shower now.

Your comments are well received in general but my comments really apply to which this thread pertains...........Parris Green aged 22 years.
Even then, most people start out on that path for genuine reasons. Those who took the choice lightly will regret it.
Jim. I've worn jeans for years. It hasn't told me whether i should really be a man.
Jeans aren't exactly men-only clothes...

It's complicated, anyway, but I don't think it's something that can just be treated psychologically with no physical surgery at all. I've done a bit of reading this evening, and depending on which site you look at the number of people who "regret" reassignment surgery varies widely, from a range of "0.5% to 5%" according to one side (written by someone who is transitioning), up to a whopping 31% on another (from a site campaigning against surgery being at least so readily available), but either way at least 2/3 of people are -- and remain -- happy in their new body and that surely suggests that there was something more than a psychological condition that could be treated with therapy.

The whole thing can be a complete mess -- and because of that I think it's wrong to assume that Paris Green was just some cynical trick of that criminal to find an easier prison. Although it could have been, of course. Here's hoping that it wasn't, as it could set attitudes towards transgender people back a while if she was held as an example of what such people are like.

There also remains the issue of what exactly AOG meant by some of his earlier comments. I hope you will reply, AOG, to that question?
I don't think it was a cynical trick at all. Although why they put a man in a women's prison because he says so is a different matter.
I know jeans aren't men-only, but what i was trying to say is that dressing as the opposite sex tells you nothing. How would it? And the failure rate is very hard to measure, as you say, but either way, doesn't prove it's a physical problem. Who is measuring the problems in later life?
Would solitary confinement solve the problem?
It might depend on what you get up to while dressed in clothes traditionally associated with the opposite sex, and how you feel while wearing those clothes. Undoubtedly many do it for a sexual thrill -- for other people, it just feels right. I don't know if there is a way to explain it more clearly than that.
Clothes traditionally associated with the opposite sex? Arab dress? Kilts? Shalwar Kameez? Jeans? Papal Greek Guards? Sarongs?
Even if it "feels right" wearing a dress, it doesn't imply you should be female. That's purely what we've been taught. You know that.
Then for some people there is more to it than that. I suppose it goes back to a comment you made yourself: How would you know what a transgender's mind is like? You have only your own, and nothing to compare it to.
Would appreciate an answer Jim.
What was the question?
I'm not saying i know what it's like, exactly as they don't. As it's society that treats men and women differently, i can't understand how it can be anything other than a self-perception problem.

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