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Tokenism
When the gorgeous Lorraine Pascal's cookery programme was first broadcast on BBC2 a couple of years back, a few right wing commentators accused the BBC of tokenism...because she was black.
Watched a few of her shows and to be honest, I didn't think the accusations had any validity.
She seemed capable in a Nigella Lawson kind of way (sultry hooded eyed glances to camera), and I made her sticky ribs and they were blinking great.
Now - there's a black finalist (Kimberley Wilson) in this year's Great British Bake Off, and I think she has a very strong chance of winning.
She knows her stuff (she talks with confidence about gluten strands etc) and she hasn't really put a foot wrong.
Thing I'm concerned about is that if she wins, are the 'usual bunch' going to scream 'tokenism' again?
On a related matter - exactly what do black people have to achieve for racists to stop using the 'T' word?
Watched a few of her shows and to be honest, I didn't think the accusations had any validity.
She seemed capable in a Nigella Lawson kind of way (sultry hooded eyed glances to camera), and I made her sticky ribs and they were blinking great.
Now - there's a black finalist (Kimberley Wilson) in this year's Great British Bake Off, and I think she has a very strong chance of winning.
She knows her stuff (she talks with confidence about gluten strands etc) and she hasn't really put a foot wrong.
Thing I'm concerned about is that if she wins, are the 'usual bunch' going to scream 'tokenism' again?
On a related matter - exactly what do black people have to achieve for racists to stop using the 'T' word?
Answers
Be elected President of the United States? Play for England at football (the racist shouts at Chelsea declined when Chelsea's own star players were black ) ? Win two gold medals in the London Olympics?
14:42 Sun 20th Oct 2013
Sp, you really just have to ignore the ignorance of some people and hopefully their attitudes will die with them. For the record I have a couple of LP's books and I love her TV shows, Kimberley has been the most capable (if a little bit overly confident) contestant in this series, I think she would be the worthiest winner.
sp1814
/// On a related matter - exactly what do black people have to achieve for racists to stop using the 'T' word? ///
Blimey according to some, yet another word we cannot use for fear of being classed a racist.
Yes apparently this is the dreaded "T" word, to the less knowledgeable on such matters it is the word "Tokenism" (there I've actually typed it even if I haven't said it, so does that still make me a racist?
But do you know what? In the true Clark Gable, Gone with the Wind, fashion, "my dear, I don't give a damn,”
Any one notice, it is also another "ism" word, that's a double whammy.
/// On a related matter - exactly what do black people have to achieve for racists to stop using the 'T' word? ///
Blimey according to some, yet another word we cannot use for fear of being classed a racist.
Yes apparently this is the dreaded "T" word, to the less knowledgeable on such matters it is the word "Tokenism" (there I've actually typed it even if I haven't said it, so does that still make me a racist?
But do you know what? In the true Clark Gable, Gone with the Wind, fashion, "my dear, I don't give a damn,”
Any one notice, it is also another "ism" word, that's a double whammy.
rockyracoon
/// Sp, you really just have to ignore the ignorance of some people and hopefully their attitudes will die with them. ///
Are you wishing for some people to die?
That is the type of thing that instils ill feeling towards some, but that not going as far as wanting them to die, but to just shut up.
/// Sp, you really just have to ignore the ignorance of some people and hopefully their attitudes will die with them. ///
Are you wishing for some people to die?
That is the type of thing that instils ill feeling towards some, but that not going as far as wanting them to die, but to just shut up.
Sqad
'Tokenism' ishe idea that if a non-white person is put into a position of authority, gets her own show (as is the case of Lorraine) or is selected (in the case of Kimberley) in the Great British Back Off, it's because the liberals who run tv, the courts, the police, health service etc, are simply filling boxes, and that the particular talent the person has, is irrelevant.
It's a pretty irritating mindset.
'Tokenism' ishe idea that if a non-white person is put into a position of authority, gets her own show (as is the case of Lorraine) or is selected (in the case of Kimberley) in the Great British Back Off, it's because the liberals who run tv, the courts, the police, health service etc, are simply filling boxes, and that the particular talent the person has, is irrelevant.
It's a pretty irritating mindset.
rockyracoon
Kimberley seems the most gifted of the three finalists. Ruby has been named the best baker on three occasions (or was it four), but she's been close to being chucked out a couple of times. I think you need to be consistently good to win (like the gay fella who won the first series).
And the Lorraine Pascale thing just completely foxes me. It's almost like (ahem) 'socially conservative' commentators refuse to believe that black people can make it through hard work and talent. It's the whole David Harewood, Idris Alba, Adrian Lester, Chiwetel Ejiofor (a man who's name can only be spelled after accessin Wikipedia...)
Kimberley seems the most gifted of the three finalists. Ruby has been named the best baker on three occasions (or was it four), but she's been close to being chucked out a couple of times. I think you need to be consistently good to win (like the gay fella who won the first series).
And the Lorraine Pascale thing just completely foxes me. It's almost like (ahem) 'socially conservative' commentators refuse to believe that black people can make it through hard work and talent. It's the whole David Harewood, Idris Alba, Adrian Lester, Chiwetel Ejiofor (a man who's name can only be spelled after accessin Wikipedia...)
