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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-1359220
Is this a litte bit rash from the normally calm Germans? What are they going to use for power going forward?
Is this a litte bit rash from the normally calm Germans? What are they going to use for power going forward?
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it's on the front page of BBC news site, try this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/...world-europe-13592208
http://www.bbc.co.uk/...world-europe-13592208
Perhaps we should now open up our disused coal pits again, and this time sell our coal to Germany?
It would seem that their Government takes notice of their ant-nuclear protesters.
It would appear that the Plymouth protest in March didn't stir up any changes, in our Government's nuclear policy?
http://tinyurl.com/3gx4v2m
It would seem that their Government takes notice of their ant-nuclear protesters.
It would appear that the Plymouth protest in March didn't stir up any changes, in our Government's nuclear policy?
http://tinyurl.com/3gx4v2m
// Shaun Burnie, nuclear adviser for environmental campaign group Greenpeace International, told the BBC World Service that Germany had already invested heavily in renewable energy.
"The various studies from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change show that renewables could deliver, basically, global electricity by 2050," he said.
"Germany is going to be ahead of the game on that and it is going to make a lot of money, so the message to Germany's industrial competitors is that you can base your energy policy not on nuclear, not on coal, but on renewables." //
"The various studies from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change show that renewables could deliver, basically, global electricity by 2050," he said.
"Germany is going to be ahead of the game on that and it is going to make a lot of money, so the message to Germany's industrial competitors is that you can base your energy policy not on nuclear, not on coal, but on renewables." //
Gromit:
Do you really believe the quotes you're repeating?
The policy is a disaster for Germany's future prospects. The German people (and industry) are going to have to get used to intermittent electricity. Renewables cannot possibly plug the gap that nuclear currently supplies. In fact, even the Germans know this as they were talking about plugging the gap by buying 'nuclear' electricity from France.
Wind farms typically cost an absolute fortune to build and maintain and at best deliver just 25% of their projected yield. Sometimes they produce absolutely nothing at all. Sometimes the wind just doesn't blow. Not to mention the catastrophic failure rate of the gearing mechanisms. They do look nice though. All spinny and white and everything. Lovely.
Do you really believe the quotes you're repeating?
The policy is a disaster for Germany's future prospects. The German people (and industry) are going to have to get used to intermittent electricity. Renewables cannot possibly plug the gap that nuclear currently supplies. In fact, even the Germans know this as they were talking about plugging the gap by buying 'nuclear' electricity from France.
Wind farms typically cost an absolute fortune to build and maintain and at best deliver just 25% of their projected yield. Sometimes they produce absolutely nothing at all. Sometimes the wind just doesn't blow. Not to mention the catastrophic failure rate of the gearing mechanisms. They do look nice though. All spinny and white and everything. Lovely.
Gromit – Are you not going to blow my argument out of the water by providing some facts and figures to show how a reduction of 25% of Germany's electricity producing capacity can be replaced by wind farms, solar energy and wave-power?
When it comes to actual, viable, practical solutions to the energy needs of this planet, the proponents of 'green' energy are suddenly rendered mute because of the simple and irrefutable fact that right here and now, electricity generation from renewables is a massive loss-leader and unlike Cuprinol, does not do what it says on the tin.
Wind farms do not produce anything like their advertised potential – no wind equals no electricity and then there's the gearing problems. Electricity generation from solar energy has got much better in recent years but suffers massively from the fact that for 50% of the time (in the vast majorities of countries), it's dark at night and battery storage is hopelessly inefficient. Which leaves tidal. Which is probably the most promising method but is in it's infancy.
If I were a German who enjoys power-cuts, I'd do nothing. If I were a German who liked to be warm in winter and liked to see where I was going after the sun's gone down, I'd be investing in a home generator.
When it comes to actual, viable, practical solutions to the energy needs of this planet, the proponents of 'green' energy are suddenly rendered mute because of the simple and irrefutable fact that right here and now, electricity generation from renewables is a massive loss-leader and unlike Cuprinol, does not do what it says on the tin.
Wind farms do not produce anything like their advertised potential – no wind equals no electricity and then there's the gearing problems. Electricity generation from solar energy has got much better in recent years but suffers massively from the fact that for 50% of the time (in the vast majorities of countries), it's dark at night and battery storage is hopelessly inefficient. Which leaves tidal. Which is probably the most promising method but is in it's infancy.
If I were a German who enjoys power-cuts, I'd do nothing. If I were a German who liked to be warm in winter and liked to see where I was going after the sun's gone down, I'd be investing in a home generator.
Germany has major investment in solar and other renewable energy sources. this isnt a surprise and the German government has been working toward this goal . no big hoo haa . they're far more organised and prepared than the UK it would appear. what are we going to do is what you should be asking yourself as its far more relevant.
Teddy_boy
Renewables cannot plug the hole left by nuclear power. Fact – no ifs nor buts.
Wishful thinking does not generate electricity. The 'real question' as you put it is how are they going to achieve it? Where are the facts and figures? Vague assertions will not make your lights glow nor will it keep your central heating running in winter.
If the UK follows Germany down this ludicrous cul-de-sac then I'll be buying a generator and I suggest you do the same.
Renewables cannot plug the hole left by nuclear power. Fact – no ifs nor buts.
Wishful thinking does not generate electricity. The 'real question' as you put it is how are they going to achieve it? Where are the facts and figures? Vague assertions will not make your lights glow nor will it keep your central heating running in winter.
If the UK follows Germany down this ludicrous cul-de-sac then I'll be buying a generator and I suggest you do the same.
http://www.renewablee...ewable-energy-economy
Im no expert , as i assume you arent either , but they do seem to have a plan and are working to it.What has the uk got ?
Im no expert , as i assume you arent either , but they do seem to have a plan and are working to it.What has the uk got ?
Teddy_boy
Don't try and play that game. I'm not the one arguing for 'green' energy. Currently, the Germans using coal, gas and nuclear (with some solar and wind) are providing Germans with the energy they require. This is self-evident due to the fact that Germany doesn't have rolling black-outs nor chronic energy shortages.
They are now proposing to replace 25% of their fossil-fuel powered electricity with 'green' alternatives.
So you tell me – who has the onus of responsibility to explain how that gap is to be plugged?
Don't try and play that game. I'm not the one arguing for 'green' energy. Currently, the Germans using coal, gas and nuclear (with some solar and wind) are providing Germans with the energy they require. This is self-evident due to the fact that Germany doesn't have rolling black-outs nor chronic energy shortages.
They are now proposing to replace 25% of their fossil-fuel powered electricity with 'green' alternatives.
So you tell me – who has the onus of responsibility to explain how that gap is to be plugged?
http://en.wikipedia.o...ble_energy_in_Germany
at 16% in 2009 i think it is possible they can achieve their target of 30% by 2020 , but they are already nearly 2% ahead of the uk's target for 2020 so they're hardly dragging their heels.
at 16% in 2009 i think it is possible they can achieve their target of 30% by 2020 , but they are already nearly 2% ahead of the uk's target for 2020 so they're hardly dragging their heels.
Time will tell.
I just hope that the scientifically illiterate majority of MPs in the UK don't follow Germany's example.
For the record – I'm no fan of nuclear energy. It is potentially lethal when things go wrong. But the problem is that renewables (in their present form) cannot replace fossil fuels by any stretch of the imagination. The environmentalist movement is largely unrealistic – it is opposed to coal, shale gas, natural gas, nuclear... basically any form of energy that emits any amount of carbon dioxide because of the theory of anthropogenic climate change. Some of them honestly seem to think that the world's economy can be run on wind, solar and wave. It can't.
Until scientists can develop a technique to provide substantial, continuous 'clean energy', we're going to have to use fossil fuels in one form or another unless people are willing to accept rolling blackouts – and I don't think that the majority of people are.
I just hope that the scientifically illiterate majority of MPs in the UK don't follow Germany's example.
For the record – I'm no fan of nuclear energy. It is potentially lethal when things go wrong. But the problem is that renewables (in their present form) cannot replace fossil fuels by any stretch of the imagination. The environmentalist movement is largely unrealistic – it is opposed to coal, shale gas, natural gas, nuclear... basically any form of energy that emits any amount of carbon dioxide because of the theory of anthropogenic climate change. Some of them honestly seem to think that the world's economy can be run on wind, solar and wave. It can't.
Until scientists can develop a technique to provide substantial, continuous 'clean energy', we're going to have to use fossil fuels in one form or another unless people are willing to accept rolling blackouts – and I don't think that the majority of people are.
Continued...
It's easy to go on a march and decry the use of fossil fuels. But the reality is, when people are sat at home in the cold and dark; when they're unable to fill their cars with fuel because the pumps don't work; when they can't charge their iPads and iPhones; when the supermarkets are closed and food gets scarce – it will dawn on them that they might have backed the wrong horse.
Let's hope that science bails us all out before that happens.
It's easy to go on a march and decry the use of fossil fuels. But the reality is, when people are sat at home in the cold and dark; when they're unable to fill their cars with fuel because the pumps don't work; when they can't charge their iPads and iPhones; when the supermarkets are closed and food gets scarce – it will dawn on them that they might have backed the wrong horse.
Let's hope that science bails us all out before that happens.
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