A very interesting point was raised on the Mathew Wright Show today

[Bobbisox]

Are foreign workers really taking our jobs?
or as a Nation, are we too lazy?
Who really is to blame?
The company's for exploiting foreign workers by paying them a lot less?
This is always an emotive topic so let me state here and now, I am not being a Racist bigot

[Bobbisox]

it's not really the good old days I am referring to Dr Filtyh, I will leave that to the Remember When thread, it seems we , the British public, seem to be above getting up and doing a menial task like a foreign worker would ?

[Bobbisox]

do you think?
do you all think that?
what difference does it make to your life who pays?
and why are you bothered?

I refer to this Triggs..
we are debating the issues so we must be bothered

[DrFilth]

Bobbisox thing is some of these people will not have to pay tax when they first start work over here.

one of the lads in the pub had dual nationality when it suited him he was irish so he did not pay tax on all his earnings

[Bobbisox]

could it be because I am a tax payer and really likes to know where the money goes?

[DrFilth]

another thing one of the lads from where i worked who is skilled is living in spain he works in a bar not much money but it is a job and he is happy over there

with his skill he could walk into a job in many cities across the world.

[Bobbisox]

I wasn't aware they were able to do that Dr Filth?

[Old_Geezer]

The reason some may not find it so reasonable sqad is that which sandyRoe gave earlier. They get trained at the expense of their country of origin but the deprive their homeland of their talents by coming here for better remuneration. Morally that is questionable.

And once such a system is established it means folk born here are less inclined to train, the NHS is less inclined to train them, which has economic consequences regarding employment levels and wealth being 'sent home'; and the country is no longer self sufficient having becomes dependent on the imported labour.

All rather questionable.

[Bobbisox]

not at all, you and Triggs are sending this thread into an entire different direction if you would like to read again the OP
forget about the money, Are Foreign workers being exploited?
and who is to blame

[DrFilth]

name some redhelen his wife is english so if he was unable to work and she lost her job they would be looked after

[jackthehat]

In order to reduce their own Tax and NI liabilities, many employers have shifted to 'part-time positions'.
These are payable at minimum wage.
If you are a UK citizens you will be taxed and have NI contributions deducted at the appropriate rate.......this means that your £ 5.93 per hour is reduced (by whatever) and you receive the balance in your hand.
If you are on 'overseas' worker, providing you obey the requisite laws and have an *interruption* in your employment in a 12-month period, you can claim your Tax and NI back from HMRC.
This means that you receive the whole £ 5.93 for each hour that you worked. If you extrapolate backwards that means that 'foreigners' are earning c. £1 - £ 1-50 p.h. more than their British colleagues, in real terms.

[DrFilth]

thank you jackthehat