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It's been a year since the ban on smoking in the workplace
Has it made/helped any ABer stop for good?
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Well as I didn't smoke in the first place I guess the answer is a resounding NO.
This ad about smoking parents being more likely to incourage kids is a load of u know what.
My parents smoked but I don't and nither does my older sister. I never smoked and neither did my ex husband but 3 out of 4 of mine do.
I asked others about that and they have said much the same thing.
This ad about smoking parents being more likely to incourage kids is a load of u know what.
My parents smoked but I don't and nither does my older sister. I never smoked and neither did my ex husband but 3 out of 4 of mine do.
I asked others about that and they have said much the same thing.
I have smoked since I was 12 at the age of 28 i gave it up for 6 years and went back smoking for 3 years i gave it up again for 16 years but foolishly went back to them for a further 6years. I have now given up for 11 months. At the moment I have no intentions of going back to smoking but not because of the ban that just makes me angry smoking and pubs go together. What we have now is either crowds blocking doorways smoking or shelters where smokers are now made to feel like lepers. We all know it is harmful but statistically does anyone know what the death due to smoking figures are compared to say drink related deaths i.e drink drivers, brawls etc yest is drinking banned. nI am not one for jumping on the human rights band wagon but I feel if a product is legal as tobacco is we all have a right to use it. Yes smoking is a smelly habit but what about the people who have overdosed on aftershave and perfume are we to regulate how much we use them and what about farting is that also going to be monitored. I know I am making light of something that is important to some but please ask your local landlord if business has been affected by the smoking ban what about their livelihood. I agree to no smoking in restaurants totally unless they are open air and they have a smokers corner (to please the non smokers) but coming back to what I really want to say and that is yes smokers know it bad for them but the majority and I mean the majority are adults and as such should have the right to decide whether they smoke or not without having to be forced into it. By the way I am not a reformed smoker whereby I wrinkle my nose up at someone who lights up or coughs unnecessarily just to make a point but even though some smokers stink of tobacco I have no objections to anyone lighting up around me.
I gave up by the way when I alone came to the decision that it was money being burned. Not for health reasons or pressure from others.
I gave up by the way when I alone came to the decision that it was money being burned. Not for health reasons or pressure from others.
Jenny I totally agree.
I haven't ever smoked myself and I cannot possibly understand how those that do must feel when trying to give it up, but as I have said before on other threads on this subject 'give me a room full of smokers any day than drunks.'
I feel smokers have been picked on mercylessly by the media and the goverment when more trouble and death is caused by drinking than just about anything else.
Violence, crime, police time in clearing away the drunks, hospital A&E departments full of them, often through their own idiotic behaviour, the cost to tax payers in council taxes to clean up town centres after them. Late night brawling keeping naighboors awake, battered children and children who have had to become the head of the household because mummy and daddy are to pi**ed to deal with it. Then we have the lost generation of 12 to 16 yearolds that spend a lot of their free time sitting around drinking.WTF are we making such a big deal about smokers for when this is happening.
Have a drink by all means and poeple do but like all things in moderation but it just seems a lot don't know when to stop. Deal with that first.
I haven't ever smoked myself and I cannot possibly understand how those that do must feel when trying to give it up, but as I have said before on other threads on this subject 'give me a room full of smokers any day than drunks.'
I feel smokers have been picked on mercylessly by the media and the goverment when more trouble and death is caused by drinking than just about anything else.
Violence, crime, police time in clearing away the drunks, hospital A&E departments full of them, often through their own idiotic behaviour, the cost to tax payers in council taxes to clean up town centres after them. Late night brawling keeping naighboors awake, battered children and children who have had to become the head of the household because mummy and daddy are to pi**ed to deal with it. Then we have the lost generation of 12 to 16 yearolds that spend a lot of their free time sitting around drinking.WTF are we making such a big deal about smokers for when this is happening.
Have a drink by all means and poeple do but like all things in moderation but it just seems a lot don't know when to stop. Deal with that first.
I 'somoked' when I was thirteen, my mum found a packet in my pocket, rousted me from here to wazoo and back, and I've never done it since!
I am eternally grateful that I haven't started, I am addictive by nature, and would really struggle to give up.
Oddly enough in my teens, when 99% of my friends smoked, and i was the real odd-on-out for not puffing away, I didn;t mind it at all. Now, i just find it looks utternly ludicrous, and wonder why anyone would start doing it.
Honestly, don't you think it looks a really silly thing to do?
I am eternally grateful that I haven't started, I am addictive by nature, and would really struggle to give up.
Oddly enough in my teens, when 99% of my friends smoked, and i was the real odd-on-out for not puffing away, I didn;t mind it at all. Now, i just find it looks utternly ludicrous, and wonder why anyone would start doing it.
Honestly, don't you think it looks a really silly thing to do?
Tigerlily you summed it up nicely these do-gooders that are jumping up and down because you light up where they think you shouldn't should put all their energy into drink related crime then maybe the more pressure put on the powers that be the message may get across that this is more important than puffing a ciggy. By the way a good friend of mine died last week and in january because he had heart problems (not tobacco related) was told to give up smoking after 47 years of smoking it was the only pleasure he had left he did not drink and his only pastime was fishing which he enjoyed siiting back have a ciggy and wait for the fish to bite. Well since January when he hgave it up he was irritable, depressed and thoroughly unhappy but he persevered because the doctor told him and then six months later he collapsed and died of a heart attack his last pleasure denied him. So I say leave the smokers alone and concentrate on more important issues.
I tried smoking once because of pier pressure at school. I couldn't breath and coughed my lungs up. It was enough to put me right off.
I know what u mean about having an addictive personallity Andy and I am glad that I never did take it up because I know I would have been to weak willed to stop.
I share a bottle of wine with H at the weekends at home. I have had my days of pi**ing it up the wall before I had children and it got me no where except broke by monday.
There are times when The old favorite gets tempting but I don't have the money to spend on it now so I don't.
So I'm not saying I'm a teetotaler or anything it's just that there are more things to worry about than smoking.
I know what u mean about having an addictive personallity Andy and I am glad that I never did take it up because I know I would have been to weak willed to stop.
I share a bottle of wine with H at the weekends at home. I have had my days of pi**ing it up the wall before I had children and it got me no where except broke by monday.
There are times when The old favorite gets tempting but I don't have the money to spend on it now so I don't.
So I'm not saying I'm a teetotaler or anything it's just that there are more things to worry about than smoking.
Smokers have every right to smoke if they wish - there is absolutely nothing stopping them.
Just do it in your own home. Unless you have children, of course.
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I really don't see the comparison between smoking and alcohol. I know lots of people that can have an occasional drink - Christmas, wedding, parties and so on.
They don't need drinking breaks at work.
I know of very few smokers who can go more than a few hours without a cigarette.
The minority of drinkers are alcoholics. The majority of smokers are addicts.
Just do it in your own home. Unless you have children, of course.
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I really don't see the comparison between smoking and alcohol. I know lots of people that can have an occasional drink - Christmas, wedding, parties and so on.
They don't need drinking breaks at work.
I know of very few smokers who can go more than a few hours without a cigarette.
The minority of drinkers are alcoholics. The majority of smokers are addicts.
Alcohol related deaths:
13.6 per 100,000 in the population
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id =1091
so that's about 8,160
Tobacco related deaths 106,000
Even if you add in all the deaths on the road 3,000 or so all the deaths through violent crime 800 or so you're not even in the same ball park.
13.6 per 100,000 in the population
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id =1091
so that's about 8,160
Tobacco related deaths 106,000
Even if you add in all the deaths on the road 3,000 or so all the deaths through violent crime 800 or so you're not even in the same ball park.
That's not a statistic is it? - that's a single data point (Cigars aren't as bad due to the way people smoke but that's irrelevant)
Smoking isn't causal - it's not like cyanide - if you take it you will die.
It's like playing Russian roulette.
Churchill may have been lucky
Last year over 100,000 weren't
But someone asked what the figures were and I found them - Sorry if they weren't what you'd hoped
Smoking isn't causal - it's not like cyanide - if you take it you will die.
It's like playing Russian roulette.
Churchill may have been lucky
Last year over 100,000 weren't
But someone asked what the figures were and I found them - Sorry if they weren't what you'd hoped
The problem with statistics is they can be made to say what ever the department commisioning them want them to say.
There are no end of problems, not just physical, that are tied to drinking.
There is no way that smoking is worse than drinking. There are a miriad of outer problems that are directly the out come of drinking.
There are no end of problems, not just physical, that are tied to drinking.
There is no way that smoking is worse than drinking. There are a miriad of outer problems that are directly the out come of drinking.
This arguement about personal choice / freedom is always trotted out when this subject is discussed .
This is fair enough, if your personal choice does not impact on my personal choice .
The thing about smokers are that they take away the choice from non smokers who dont wish to smoke ( i.e passive smoking, which is equally as harmful ) .
If you are a drinker - then to a large extent your habit only affects you - you are not forcing drink down another person's throat
A former colleague of mine died of lung cancer due to passive smoking - he never smoked himself - but he worked in an enviroment where those around him constantly smoked .
I have every sympathy for those who wish to give up , and count myself lucky that i was not drawn to the habbit ( I have an inbuilt mechanism against smoking - namely the smell of cigaretes smoke makes me feel ill - literally )
To a large extent , I blame the tobacco industry - they supressed research , which they undertook in earlier years themselves , which showed the harmful effects of ciggaretes
This is fair enough, if your personal choice does not impact on my personal choice .
The thing about smokers are that they take away the choice from non smokers who dont wish to smoke ( i.e passive smoking, which is equally as harmful ) .
If you are a drinker - then to a large extent your habit only affects you - you are not forcing drink down another person's throat
A former colleague of mine died of lung cancer due to passive smoking - he never smoked himself - but he worked in an enviroment where those around him constantly smoked .
I have every sympathy for those who wish to give up , and count myself lucky that i was not drawn to the habbit ( I have an inbuilt mechanism against smoking - namely the smell of cigaretes smoke makes me feel ill - literally )
To a large extent , I blame the tobacco industry - they supressed research , which they undertook in earlier years themselves , which showed the harmful effects of ciggaretes
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