What Do Modern Day Fascists Believe In???

sp1814 | 22:05 Mon 01st Apr 2013 | News

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Having never met one...I'm curious.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100209856/paolo-di-canio-is-a-fascist-time-to-boycott-sunderland/

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Buenchico

Tricolour Flame, Forza Nuova, and Fronte Sociale Nazionale can't agree a common ideology. (They're all regarded as 'neo-fascist').

However the political programme of Forza Nuova might provide some guidance:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Force_%28Italy%29

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Not sure.

I know nothing about football...

...and even less about Di Canio's politics. He has just been on News at Ten saying hat he is a fascist, but not a racist.

I honestly don't know what modern fascists believe. Like 'Marxist', it seems to be a term bandied about by those who don't actually know what it means.

So...what does it mean??

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buenchico

Now that's an interesting read (thank you). It seems very 'localised'. Like an Italian fascist would have a completely different set of beliefs than, say, someone from Germany or Sweden.

Gromit

Here is Poalo saying hello to a friend in the crowd.

http://twofootedlunge.wordpress.com/a-z-player-records/paolo-di-canio/

Btw He has a Mousellini tattoo on his shoulder.

ChillDoubt

My thoughts exactly triggerhippy, why has this suddenly become an issue now he's in charge of a (for now, anyway) Premier League outfit?

jno

basically, I think, a strong central government - to the point of dictatorship (like Mussolini) - and belligerent nationalism. Alliance with the church and protection for workers are optional extras, but in practice their intent would be to increase state control, as both workers and priests would be told what to do by the party leaders.

In the case of modern Italy it may amount to sentimental longing for the days of Mussolini's strong leadership - and he in turn was longing for the days of the Roman empire. A bit like the way Russians, having tasted democracy, have turned back to Putin because they spent most of a century being told what to do and became accustomed to it.

emmie

suggest not using that syphilitic oaf as an example of what denotes a fascist, and rose coloured specs come to mind if anyone thinks of him as a strong leader, bully boy, sexual miscreant and indeed led his people like the donkey he was to the slaughter. If you think that's harsh, do some reading, he wasn't a nice man, nor a good leader. Fascists exists, if Di Canio says he is one, but isn't a racist then don't believe him. The black shirts had plenty of support here, from people you wouldn't have expected, not least Oswald Moseley.

douglas9401

Could just be that in his quest for a new world order Mr diCanio got Sunderland and Sudetenland mixed up.

emmie

anyone giving a Nazi salute, and that is what it looks like deserves a boot up the arris.

mikey4444

I know nor care an awful lot about football, but jno seems to have it just right.

The rise of the ultra right is occurring all over Europe even as we speak, and we ignore it at our peril. It has caused no end of bloodshed over the years and it can do all over again, given enough room to move.

Its worth bearing in mind that Hitler didn't seize power, he was voted in, by millions of adoring fans. Mussolini was adored by millions of Italians as well.

To us Hitler and Mussolini were strutting peacocks, whose antics were really quite funny at first. We had our own Fascist, a certain Mr Mosley, who liked nothing better than marching into the East End to frighten all the bally foreigners that lived there. So much for Fascism not being racist !

The right wing blaming everything on immigrants....now, does that sound familiar to anyone ?

youngmafbog

Good question SP, one I have often wondered about too.

What I find odd here though is that Milliband decides to bring politics into football. OK, he may not like the man (but he is nobbing off to the States anyway) but from what I see this Di Canio is not breaking the law so if we are a democratic state why the problem?

I am sure our secret services have him (along with other extremists such as Mad Mullahs and commies under surveillance).

One thing that does feed this extremism though is wishy washy liberalism. People look for a way to fight back and unfortunately all too often extremists are there to fill the gap.

emmie

but no one seems to see the threat from the likes of the extremists in our midst, if you think the far right, Neo Nazi's will rise up again, then have a look at what's really going on across Europe. We already see the clash of ideologies across the world, east meets west, it's not hard to imagine that culminating in another war. If it came to WW3, how many people here would fight, ask yourself that.

humbersloop

//One thing that does feed this extremism though is wishy washy liberalism.//

So is a sterner, more authoritarian liberalism the answer?

mikey4444

The threat is there em10, and as I said we shouldn't ignore it. The devil has many disguises. Perhaps people should bear that in mind when they feel like putting their cross alongside BNP or even worse, the BNP-light, that is UKIP.

sandyRoe

Do they hanker for an imaginary golden age when everybody knew their proper place?
They seem to want a strong leader, or a toff, to doff their cap to.

Ratty2E

It's is really getting my goat now. What Paolo does or doesn't support politically has nothing to do with his efficacy as a football manager. If his political beliefs are causing to act in a way that is unacceptable then why did no one make a fuss when he was at Swindon. If Sunderland fans don't want sucess or a manager bursting with footballing passion, proffessionalism and a strong work ethic then that is up to them, someone else will. Seems to me, as usual, there are a lot of people who like a moan jumping on a bandwagon they know nothing about.

andy-hughes

The interesting aspect of this is the attempts to paint Di Canio in a good light - 'he is a facist but not a racist' - which is rather like letting Hitler off for the Haulocaust because he was fond of dogs!

You cannot cherry-pick the bits of someone's character that you like and ignore the rest, it is foolish and naiive to imagine that this approach is going to fly with football fans, and the wider public.

My perception of Mr Di Canio as advised by the media, is that he was a seriously talented footballer, he was and is a medicore manager, and his ;olitical and social skills leave a lot to be desired.

In purely footballing terms, sacking a manager of the calibre and experience of Martin O'Neil in the belief that Mr Di Canio possesses some magic spell unknown to Mr O'Neil seems again to be naiive in the extreme.

seadogg

They can be very good at persuasive "common sense". Years ago we sat at table with a group of ex SS officers in a remote ski hotel in Austria. As the schnapps flowed we became very matey and began to talk politics.
They hadn't changed at all but put their points with utter rationality.

My polish girl friend was not convinced.