Mr Bobbie And Me Have Just Had This Thought Provoking Conversation

[Bobbisox1]

I said as much as I like Boris, I don’t think he’s good in front of people yet he’s a good narrator behind a lectern or within 10 Downing Street ,
He said,” I can’t think of any of our past PMs who could carry the title of being a Statesman”
I think we’d have to go quite far back to find one, what do you think and why ?

[emmie]

i think he is good with people, it's just that the television people for all their sins, don't seem to care for him, so often show him in an awkward light.
i would love to be at a dinner party with him and others of that ilk, one could learn a thing or two i suspect.

[emmie]

Winston Churchill stands head and shoulders above them all for Oratory and sheer bloody mindedness.

[Bobbisox1]

Yes he was a Statesman 100% Emmie ( Churchill) but that’s the only one I can think of, Id like to be at a dinner party too and sit next to Boris, I think he’d have a very good s,o.h but I feel he’s more in his comfort zone at the places I described in my OP

[emmie]

Mrs T on her good days, of which there were many

William Pitt the Younger must have had something going for him considering he was the youngest PM aged 24.
and Disraeli of course, who was a great orator.

[emmie]

Disraeli is remembered for his influential voice in world affairs, his political battles with the Liberal Party leader William Ewart Gladstone, and his one-nation conservatism or "Tory democracy". He made the Conservatives the party most identified with the glory and power of the British Empire.

[emmie]

there have been a fair few going back in time,
even Blair was lauded for a while, but he turned out to be made of straw..

[Bobbisox1]

Yes I’d say Mrs T could be up there with them emmie

[Bobbisox1]

Couldn’t stand Blair at all, too slimy

[woofgang]

I am not sure how you define a Statesman?

[Bobbisox1]

Woof if I think of a Statesman, I think of Winston Churchill as in ‘ elder statesman’

[woofgang]

So what are the qualities you are looking for?

[Bobbisox1]

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/statesman

I looked at this, I’ve heard the term many times and this seems to fit Mr Churchill

[emmie]

the ability to bind people together in a common cause, Churchill knew that the British people could have been beaten in WW2, but his Personality, Oratory, and sheer determination showed the people the way, and it wasn't to capitulate to a tyrannical power. It led to a bloody war, but what choice was there...

[emmie]

thanks Bobbi...

[Bobbisox1]

You put into words what I couldn’t Emmie, so thank you

[woofgang]

in that case I'd say Boris fits the definition.

[woofgang]

both Emmies and the dictionary

[Bobbisox1]

Not sure he’s been in office long enough for me to say that

[Apc2604]

I keep agreeing with you Woofy. Boris fits the bill to me.

I feel very old when I say I remember Winston's 2nd term of office very well.

[naomi24]

I would say Boris too. At one time I would have said Blair fitted the bill but having, for clarity, looked up the definition of a statesman ....

//a skilled, experienced, and respected political leader or figure.//

... Blair now scores zero for 'respect'.